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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsStatement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Equal Rights Amendment
History teaches us that civil rights are fought for and won with every generation. That continues to be true today, which is why I have spent my career fighting for freedoms and to expand opportunities for women and girls. It has always been clear that when we lift up women, we lift up children, families, communities, and all of society. Now, Americans must continue to fight for a more equal and just nation where everyone has the opportunity to realize the promise of America.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2025/01/17/statement-from-vice-president-kamala-harris-on-the-equal-rights-amendment/?utm_source=miragenews&utm_medium=miragenews&utm_campaign=news
jls4561
(1,644 posts)MichMan
(13,796 posts)progressoid
(50,866 posts)As far as I can tell, this is just for show.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)Here's a bit, but read the whole thing at the link above.
It is not necessary for the National Archivist to publish the ERA in order for it to be adopted according to the provisions of the Constitution.
In our modern age of broadcast, cable and internet communication, the Presidents announcement itself performed that function.
Accordingly, our Constitution now demands that equality of rights under the law cannot be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.
Its long past time!
MichMan
(13,796 posts)and that any change is the deadline would have to pass Congress.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)Are you contending that Tribe has a greater knowledge of what is and isn't Constitutional than RBG did?
The fact that she is no longer here is irrelevant to the question at hand.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)and as the former, she needed to hear the litigant arguments before deciding. (just so you are clear.. )
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)When comparing the breadth and depth of Constitutional knowledge of Tribe and RBG. I'm not aware of anyone, living or dead, who knew more about the Constitution than RBG.
And she wasn't a Constitutional scholar? Um, ok.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)which makes a difference. Her role was different. And you make these statements/assessments all without even reading Tribe's opinion first--not surprising since you didn't even read what I wrote either. Determined that ERA fail, eh? Okay. Celebrate with MAGA because I'm sure they will agree with you. Welcome to ignore. Uggh.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)and I'm not diminishing him, I'm saying that IMO, he can't hold a candle to RBG when it comes to knowledge of the Constitution. You claimed she wasn't a Constitutional scholar, which is patently false, and said that her opinion is irrelevant because she's dead.
The fact that you can't disagree with someone without accusing them of being MAGA says much about you...
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)but never litigated a case before SCOTUS. Nor had she ever heard a case similar to this to hear the argument much less decided on it. She was making an off-the-cuff assessment about something that was nothing more than a general hypothetical. It was not and had not been litigated. There is a tremendous difference and a reason why SCOTUS justices often are reticent to talk about possible cases in the future.
That you can't see the difference between your similar glee to the RW and my actually stating YOU WERE MAGA--WHICH I MOST CERTAINLY NEVER DID, shows you need to slow down and actually read/comprehend what is written. That you do not is your issue.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)most involving civil rights. He likewise has taught constitutional law since 1968 at Harvard.
Nowhere have I demeaned RBG--whose painted picture is on my office wall as we "speak." But, you apparently have nothing but contempt for Tribe and no, I'm not having it. I feel as though your contempt extends to those fighting for ERA. So, I am done with you.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)You said she hadn't been a litigant before the Supreme Court.
I've shown nothing close to contempt for Tribe, but if that's what you choose to believe, have at it.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)I have two daughters, I would love for the ERA to be ratified. But I want it to be done the right way, and there are very valid questions about this purported ratification that need to be answered, not just for this amendment but for any future amendments.
Disagreeing with what you say is not the same as not understanding what you say.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)-- that it is all settled-- is so damned telling. You may as well just tell the "little women of DU and elsewhere should just not worry our little heads about it" nor listen to one of our nation's most celebrated and successful constitutional scholars who supports fighting for its ratification--in SCOTUS or whatever it takes. Your daughters deserve better and far more support than what you are advancing.
No skin in the game makes it quite easy, doesn't it?
I am so reminded of Dr. King's assessment of the "Fair Day supporters" he faced among the southern white populace as eloquently put in his Birmingham jail letter:
Such similarities :
that the Negros great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizens Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to order than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another mans freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a more convenient season.
The great enemy of justice are those moderates who feign outrage at societal injustice, but whose outrage conveniently disappears when real change threatens their status. These moderates are more comfortable leaving unchallenged the assumed moral authority of certain institutions, traditions and practices that are the purveyors of injustice rather than confronting their own role in maintaining these institutions. The hard truth is that the comfort of the status quo is always preferable to pursuing the demands of justice.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)four hours ago that you were going to out me on ignore
why dont you do so, then you wont have to worry about seeing posts with which you disagree.
I have the right to state my opinion every bit as much as you do, and I will continue to do so.
If you dont like that, then again, I suggest you put me on ignore.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)tough. That privilege you were born with does not prevent you from having to justify your comments--especially when you seem to think you get to decide the fate of equality for half the country. No one else gets a say--even our foremost constitutional scholar.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)that this needs to be settled in the courts is a disgusting disregard for the rights of others? Wanting to ensure that the amendment is added in a manner that stays within the bounds of the Constitution is a disgusting disregard for the rights of others?
Believe what you choose.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)I believe what you actually have said and it isn't supportive of anything supporting the rights of half this country's population, but rather denigrates even trying to follow the argument laid out so clearly by Tribe and soon to come, others. Not all scholars, whether men or women, are so content to keep women permanently unequal, subservient, and unempowered. And I find men suggesting otherwise to be unworthy of consideration of any kind. That you say you have daughters really ought to make you rethink your attitudes.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)Well, I'm glad I have you at least willing to think of those daughters, their future, and that Tribe has made the case= worth litigating. Took you long enough, but I'm glad.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)I havent changed my opinion or my stance one bit since we started the discussion.
😂😂😂
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)Quiet Em
(1,385 posts)thebigidea
(13,427 posts)I wish I never endured his lip-smacking analysis, absolutely none of it ever amounted to anything. He's done a lot of good work in his career, I just don't see his pundit role on TV as very valuable.
progressoid
(50,866 posts)They can quote precedent and the almighty constitution all they want. It doesn't seem like the current SC cares two shits about that. (see Roe/Dobbs, Chevron USA, etc.).
I hope I'm wrong. But one wonders, if this was such a landmark thing, why did the Biden admin wait until three days before they hit the road to declare it the law of the land? They could have done this a long time ago. I suspect they planned on being in office for another 4 years to deal with the impending litigation (with a supportive Dem congress). This is a Hail Mary play. Cuz this is going to the Supreme Court.
Polybius
(18,727 posts)I'll be continually checking the official lists of Amendments to see if it's added.
Quiet Em
(1,385 posts)It will remain in effect until someone tries to remove it from law.
TheRickles
(2,530 posts)So this is all for show, with no legal impact:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=19913191|
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)(my post upstream) #10).
TheRickles
(2,530 posts)eShirl
(18,910 posts)Wiz Imp
(2,734 posts)In February 2024, the American Bar Association (ABA) passed resolution 601, supporting implementation of the ERA. The ABA urges implementation because a deadline for ratification of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not consistent with Article V of the Constitution and that under Article V, states are not permitted to rescind prior ratifications.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment#Ratification_in_the_state_legislatures
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)And those arguments need to be settled, for this amendment and for any future ones.
The Constitution never mentions rescinding prior ratifications, either permitting it or denying it, so that is indeed an open question that also needs to be resolved once and for all.
Wiz Imp
(2,734 posts)Simply getting some of these legal arguments settled would be a great service (even though the current Supreme Court can't be expected rule in a favorable way).
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)saying the opposite? That Tribe knows Nothing? That only YOU know and that it is 1. too late; 2. Settled law; and 3. no one else has any argument whatsoever.
Wow. You are just something. What other people's rights are you so willing to adopt such a cavalier attitude towards? So easy to have no skin in the game isn't it SOTOP? I feel for your daughters.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)settled in the courts. You accuse others of not reading what is written, but you appear to do that of which you accuse others.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)If you have given a momentary thought to your daughters' futures and have started changing your attitude then I am very glad. Maybe I haven't wasted all my time with you.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)Never used the word settled, never said Tribe didnt have a case to make, none of the things youve said.
My opinion hasnt changed one bit
Biden saying its ratified doesnt make it so
Harris saying its ratified doesnt make it so
Gillians saying its ratified doesnt make it so
Tribe saying its ratified doesnt make it so
I believe that the date requirement means it hasnt been ratified, and I believe it will go to the courts and the courts will say it hasnt been ratified.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)case law that argues against that assertion.
MichMan
(13,796 posts)AllyCat
(17,337 posts)AllyCat
(17,337 posts)hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)So, I'm keeping tabs on the number of self-proclaimed "better than Tribe" constitutional lawyers we have here on DU.
Quiet Em
(1,385 posts)This is a BFD. I'm celebrating too.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)questioning whether or not it was really ratified, given the deadline, with being upset.
EdmondDantes_
(159 posts)Given the time limit, the revocations, our impending administration, and the current courts, I don't see this actually holding.
I'd be happy to be wrong, women should absolutely be equal under the law (as well as trans people and other minorities). But unfortunately I'm skeptical.
bdamomma
(66,964 posts)I could have had my info wrong, but this was what I was getting at. I hope this current info is accurate.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219907289
melm00se
(5,076 posts)draw legal challenges.
- The ability to put a deadline on a proposed amendment's ratification is considered constitutional. The deadline has certainly passed.
- There is no constitutional provision that allows or does not allow for a state to rescind their ratification.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)And these are valid questions that need to be answered, for now and for any future amendments.
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)He cites cases that make it clear the "deadline" was NOT constitutional. I have posted it multiple times. But, no. YOU KNOW BEST. (hint... no you don't)
So why are you so seemingly happy to have women remain second-class citizens that you won't even bother to hear from one who has litigated (and might STILL) on constitutional issues before SCOTUS over decades? Why won't you even read his opinion?
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)that people who are concerned about the validity of this so-called ratification are gleeful about the possibility of it not being valid? Are you able to understand that perspective that while we want the ERA to be ratified we want to ensure that it is ratified in a way that conforms to the Constitution?
hlthe2b
(107,265 posts)SickOfTheOnePct
(7,462 posts)I have read it. I've also read what RBG said, and I've also read the DOJ opinion.
spooky3
(36,622 posts)Professor Laurence Tribe argued the same things, in a Substack post today.