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Quiet Em

(1,385 posts)
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 12:33 PM 11 hrs ago

Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Equal Rights Amendment

Equality is a fundamental promise of our democracy. That is why the Equal Rights Amendment belongs in our Constitution. It makes our nation stronger, and it is the law of the land because the American people have spoken in states across our nation.

History teaches us that civil rights are fought for and won with every generation. That continues to be true today, which is why I have spent my career fighting for freedoms and to expand opportunities for women and girls. It has always been clear that when we lift up women, we lift up children, families, communities, and all of society. Now, Americans must continue to fight for a more equal and just nation where everyone has the opportunity to realize the promise of America.


https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2025/01/17/statement-from-vice-president-kamala-harris-on-the-equal-rights-amendment/?utm_source=miragenews&utm_medium=miragenews&utm_campaign=news
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Statement from Vice President Kamala Harris on the Equal Rights Amendment (Original Post) Quiet Em 11 hrs ago OP
The condensed version: About damn time! jls4561 11 hrs ago #1
If it's now established as the "law of the land" , when does it go into effect? MichMan 11 hrs ago #2
Never. progressoid 10 hrs ago #3
Well, I have more respect for Laurence Tribe than any other constitutional lawyer and he says you are wrong: hlthe2b 10 hrs ago #10
RBG said it needed to start over MichMan 9 hrs ago #13
I loved RBG but she is no longer relevant, having not heard the argument that Tribe presents. hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #14
Just so I'm clear SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #16
She did not live to hear it litigated. She was a tremendous SCOTUS justice, but not a constitutional scholar/litigant hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #18
We'll just agree to disagree SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #23
that you diminish Laurence Tribe says all I want to hear from you. I said she was not a constitutional scholar litigant. hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #26
I did read his opinion SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #27
Can you read? I said RBG was not a constiutional scholar litigant. She was not. She was a wonderful SCOTUS justice hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #31
She argued six cases before the Supreme Court n/t SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #32
Not a single one remotely related to ERA or abortion or anything related. Tribe, on the other hand has argued 36 hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #38
But that isn't what you said SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #41
Why are you assuming glee? SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #34
Your willingness to devote this much energy into promoting the meme the RW has advanced since VA's vote hlthe2b 6 hrs ago #45
You said SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #47
Being called on your posts, attitudes and disgusting disregard for the rights of others struck a nerve, did it? hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #48
Believing SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #49
You said it was settled. I have at no time said it should not be litigated, just as Tribe has made the case. hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #51
Finally changing your tune... hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #53
You're a trip SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #55
Your denial is record-setting. I'll give you that. hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #57
😂😂😂 SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #58
Justice Ginsburg would be celebrating today. Quiet Em 9 hrs ago #33
not like Larry has had a good track record this past decade thebigidea 9 hrs ago #43
Tribe and Sullivan conveniently ignore the current makeup of the Supreme Court. progressoid 4 hrs ago #60
According to them, it's now Polybius 10 hrs ago #4
It's in effect right now. Quiet Em 10 hrs ago #5
According to the Associated Press and Boston Globe, the 1982 deadline for it to be ratified has passed. TheRickles 10 hrs ago #6
AP writers/editors are not constitutional lawyers. Hell they are hardly reporters. See Laurence Tribe on this hlthe2b 10 hrs ago #11
I submitted this AP story before Tribe's commentary was released. I'll defer to him. :-) TheRickles 8 hrs ago #44
how were they able to put a deadline on it? eShirl 9 hrs ago #22
There is a strong legal argument that the deadline itself was unconstituional Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #25
I agree 100% that there are strong legal arguments SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #30
I said elsewhere that Biden's action should be celebrated even if it doesn't hold Wiz Imp 9 hrs ago #35
Agree n/t SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #37
Oh, so NOW you agree there is a case to be made and should be settled via litigation. After what, two dozen posts hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #46
I've said all along that it will be SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #50
Not to me, you haven't. Only a constant stream of memes about it being settled, Tribe has no case to make, etc. etc. hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #52
I've posted no memes SickOfTheOnePct 5 hrs ago #54
Proving once again you never read Tribe's argument given you spiel the meme about the date when there is hlthe2b 5 hrs ago #56
This case law? Dillon vs Gloss 1921 MichMan 5 hrs ago #59
I love this so much!!! AllyCat 10 hrs ago #7
me too. Quiet Em 10 hrs ago #8
Lots of doomsayers here. I choose to celebrate! AllyCat 10 hrs ago #9
Yes. I keep posting Laurence Tribe's assessment of this (that it is now law) and they keep poo pooing HIM! hlthe2b 10 hrs ago #12
Unbelievable how many people are upset that the ERA is now the law of the land. Quiet Em 9 hrs ago #19
I think the misogyny has become embedded... hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #20
Unbelievable that you equate SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #24
I don't think anyone here is upset, I think we're realistic about what this means EdmondDantes_ 9 hrs ago #29
I started a thread on this. bdamomma 9 hrs ago #28
President Biden's announcement will certainly melm00se 9 hrs ago #15
Exactly SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #17
You have not even bothered to read constiutional scholar Laurence Tribe's argument that defeats yours. hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #21
Why do you continue to assume SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #36
Because they express it and refuse to read a knowledgable assessment that differs from their own uninformed one? hlthe2b 9 hrs ago #39
As I told you before SickOfTheOnePct 9 hrs ago #42
See Wiz Imp's response, #25. spooky3 9 hrs ago #40

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
10. Well, I have more respect for Laurence Tribe than any other constitutional lawyer and he says you are wrong:
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:00 PM
10 hrs ago
https://contrarian.substack.com/p/the-equal-rights-amendment-at-long?r=1ndny&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action

Here's a bit, but read the whole thing at the link above.

Laurence Tribe - The Equal Rights Amendment at Long Last [View all]
It is not necessary for the National Archivist to publish the ERA in order for it to be adopted according to the provisions of the Constitution.


In our modern age of broadcast, cable and internet communication, the President’s announcement itself performed that function.

Accordingly, our Constitution now demands that “equality of rights under the law cannot be denied or abridged by the United States or any state on account of sex.”

It’s long past time!

MichMan

(13,796 posts)
13. RBG said it needed to start over
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:08 PM
9 hrs ago

and that any change is the deadline would have to pass Congress.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
14. I loved RBG but she is no longer relevant, having not heard the argument that Tribe presents.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:10 PM
9 hrs ago

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
16. Just so I'm clear
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:12 PM
9 hrs ago

Are you contending that Tribe has a greater knowledge of what is and isn't Constitutional than RBG did?

The fact that she is no longer here is irrelevant to the question at hand.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
18. She did not live to hear it litigated. She was a tremendous SCOTUS justice, but not a constitutional scholar/litigant
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:14 PM
9 hrs ago

and as the former, she needed to hear the litigant arguments before deciding. (just so you are clear.. )

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
23. We'll just agree to disagree
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:18 PM
9 hrs ago

When comparing the breadth and depth of Constitutional knowledge of Tribe and RBG. I'm not aware of anyone, living or dead, who knew more about the Constitution than RBG.

And she wasn't a Constitutional scholar? Um, ok.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
26. that you diminish Laurence Tribe says all I want to hear from you. I said she was not a constitutional scholar litigant.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:21 PM
9 hrs ago

which makes a difference. Her role was different. And you make these statements/assessments all without even reading Tribe's opinion first--not surprising since you didn't even read what I wrote either. Determined that ERA fail, eh? Okay. Celebrate with MAGA because I'm sure they will agree with you. Welcome to ignore. Uggh.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
27. I did read his opinion
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:25 PM
9 hrs ago

and I'm not diminishing him, I'm saying that IMO, he can't hold a candle to RBG when it comes to knowledge of the Constitution. You claimed she wasn't a Constitutional scholar, which is patently false, and said that her opinion is irrelevant because she's dead.

The fact that you can't disagree with someone without accusing them of being MAGA says much about you...

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
31. Can you read? I said RBG was not a constiutional scholar litigant. She was not. She was a wonderful SCOTUS justice
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:28 PM
9 hrs ago

but never litigated a case before SCOTUS. Nor had she ever heard a case similar to this to hear the argument much less decided on it. She was making an off-the-cuff assessment about something that was nothing more than a general hypothetical. It was not and had not been litigated. There is a tremendous difference and a reason why SCOTUS justices often are reticent to talk about possible cases in the future.

That you can't see the difference between your similar glee to the RW and my actually stating YOU WERE MAGA--WHICH I MOST CERTAINLY NEVER DID, shows you need to slow down and actually read/comprehend what is written. That you do not is your issue.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
38. Not a single one remotely related to ERA or abortion or anything related. Tribe, on the other hand has argued 36
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:37 PM
9 hrs ago

most involving civil rights. He likewise has taught constitutional law since 1968 at Harvard.


Nowhere have I demeaned RBG--whose painted picture is on my office wall as we "speak." But, you apparently have nothing but contempt for Tribe and no, I'm not having it. I feel as though your contempt extends to those fighting for ERA. So, I am done with you.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
41. But that isn't what you said
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:41 PM
9 hrs ago

You said she hadn't been a litigant before the Supreme Court.

I've shown nothing close to contempt for Tribe, but if that's what you choose to believe, have at it.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
34. Why are you assuming glee?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:33 PM
9 hrs ago

I have two daughters, I would love for the ERA to be ratified. But I want it to be done the right way, and there are very valid questions about this purported ratification that need to be answered, not just for this amendment but for any future amendments.

Disagreeing with what you say is not the same as not understanding what you say.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
45. Your willingness to devote this much energy into promoting the meme the RW has advanced since VA's vote
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:02 PM
6 hrs ago

-- that it is all settled-- is so damned telling. You may as well just tell the "little women of DU and elsewhere should just not worry our little heads about it" nor listen to one of our nation's most celebrated and successful constitutional scholars who supports fighting for its ratification--in SCOTUS or whatever it takes. Your daughters deserve better and far more support than what you are advancing.

No skin in the game makes it quite easy, doesn't it?

I am so reminded of Dr. King's assessment of the "Fair Day supporters" he faced among the southern white populace as eloquently put in his Birmingham jail letter:

Such similarities :

“…that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Councilor or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to ‘order’ than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: ‘I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action’; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a ‘more convenient season.’ ”

The great enemy of justice are those moderates who feign outrage at societal injustice, but whose outrage conveniently disappears when real change threatens their status. These moderates are more comfortable leaving unchallenged the assumed moral authority of certain institutions, traditions and practices that are the purveyors of injustice rather than confronting their own role in maintaining these institutions. The hard truth is that the comfort of the status quo is always preferable to pursuing the demands of justice.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
47. You said
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:08 PM
5 hrs ago

four hours ago that you were going to out me on ignore…why don’t you do so, then you won’t have to worry about seeing posts with which you disagree.

I have the right to state my opinion every bit as much as you do, and I will continue to do so.

If you don’t like that, then again, I suggest you put me on ignore.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
48. Being called on your posts, attitudes and disgusting disregard for the rights of others struck a nerve, did it?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:10 PM
5 hrs ago

tough. That privilege you were born with does not prevent you from having to justify your comments--especially when you seem to think you get to decide the fate of equality for half the country. No one else gets a say--even our foremost constitutional scholar.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
49. Believing
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:12 PM
5 hrs ago

that this needs to be settled in the courts is a disgusting disregard for the rights of others? Wanting to ensure that the amendment is added in a manner that stays within the bounds of the Constitution is a disgusting disregard for the rights of others?

Believe what you choose.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
51. You said it was settled. I have at no time said it should not be litigated, just as Tribe has made the case.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:19 PM
5 hrs ago

I believe what you actually have said and it isn't supportive of anything supporting the rights of half this country's population, but rather denigrates even trying to follow the argument laid out so clearly by Tribe and soon to come, others. Not all scholars, whether men or women, are so content to keep women permanently unequal, subservient, and unempowered. And I find men suggesting otherwise to be unworthy of consideration of any kind. That you say you have daughters really ought to make you rethink your attitudes.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
53. Finally changing your tune...
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:24 PM
5 hrs ago

Well, I'm glad I have you at least willing to think of those daughters, their future, and that Tribe has made the case= worth litigating. Took you long enough, but I'm glad.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
55. You're a trip
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:28 PM
5 hrs ago

I haven’t changed my opinion or my stance one bit since we started the discussion.

😂😂😂

thebigidea

(13,427 posts)
43. not like Larry has had a good track record this past decade
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:55 PM
9 hrs ago

I wish I never endured his lip-smacking analysis, absolutely none of it ever amounted to anything. He's done a lot of good work in his career, I just don't see his pundit role on TV as very valuable.

progressoid

(50,866 posts)
60. Tribe and Sullivan conveniently ignore the current makeup of the Supreme Court.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 07:18 PM
4 hrs ago

They can quote precedent and the almighty constitution all they want. It doesn't seem like the current SC cares two shits about that. (see Roe/Dobbs, Chevron USA, etc.).

I hope I'm wrong. But one wonders, if this was such a landmark thing, why did the Biden admin wait until three days before they hit the road to declare it the law of the land? They could have done this a long time ago. I suspect they planned on being in office for another 4 years to deal with the impending litigation (with a supportive Dem congress). This is a Hail Mary play. Cuz this is going to the Supreme Court.

Polybius

(18,727 posts)
4. According to them, it's now
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:33 PM
10 hrs ago

I'll be continually checking the official lists of Amendments to see if it's added.

Quiet Em

(1,385 posts)
5. It's in effect right now.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:37 PM
10 hrs ago

It will remain in effect until someone tries to remove it from law.

TheRickles

(2,530 posts)
6. According to the Associated Press and Boston Globe, the 1982 deadline for it to be ratified has passed.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 01:46 PM
10 hrs ago

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
11. AP writers/editors are not constitutional lawyers. Hell they are hardly reporters. See Laurence Tribe on this
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:01 PM
10 hrs ago

(my post upstream) #10).

TheRickles

(2,530 posts)
44. I submitted this AP story before Tribe's commentary was released. I'll defer to him. :-)
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 03:42 PM
8 hrs ago

Wiz Imp

(2,734 posts)
25. There is a strong legal argument that the deadline itself was unconstituional
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:21 PM
9 hrs ago

In February 2024, the American Bar Association (ABA) passed resolution 601, supporting implementation of the ERA. The ABA urges implementation because a deadline for ratification of an amendment to the U.S. Constitution is not consistent with Article V of the Constitution and that under Article V, states are not permitted to rescind prior ratifications.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Rights_Amendment#Ratification_in_the_state_legislatures

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
30. I agree 100% that there are strong legal arguments
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:27 PM
9 hrs ago

And those arguments need to be settled, for this amendment and for any future ones.

The Constitution never mentions rescinding prior ratifications, either permitting it or denying it, so that is indeed an open question that also needs to be resolved once and for all.

Wiz Imp

(2,734 posts)
35. I said elsewhere that Biden's action should be celebrated even if it doesn't hold
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:35 PM
9 hrs ago

Simply getting some of these legal arguments settled would be a great service (even though the current Supreme Court can't be expected rule in a favorable way).

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
46. Oh, so NOW you agree there is a case to be made and should be settled via litigation. After what, two dozen posts
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:06 PM
5 hrs ago

saying the opposite? That Tribe knows Nothing? That only YOU know and that it is 1. too late; 2. Settled law; and 3. no one else has any argument whatsoever.

Wow. You are just something. What other people's rights are you so willing to adopt such a cavalier attitude towards? So easy to have no skin in the game isn't it SOTOP? I feel for your daughters.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
50. I've said all along that it will be
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:15 PM
5 hrs ago

settled in the courts. You accuse others of not reading what is written, but you appear to do that of which you accuse others.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
52. Not to me, you haven't. Only a constant stream of memes about it being settled, Tribe has no case to make, etc. etc.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:21 PM
5 hrs ago

If you have given a momentary thought to your daughters' futures and have started changing your attitude then I am very glad. Maybe I haven't wasted all my time with you.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
54. I've posted no memes
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:26 PM
5 hrs ago

Never used the word settled, never said Tribe didn’t have a case to make, none of the things you’ve said.

My opinion hasn’t changed one bit…

Biden saying it’s ratified doesn’t make it so
Harris saying it’s ratified doesn’t make it so
Gillian’s saying it’s ratified doesn’t make it so
Tribe saying it’s ratified doesn’t make it so

I believe that the date requirement means it hasn’t been ratified, and I believe it will go to the courts and the courts will say it hasn’t been ratified.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
56. Proving once again you never read Tribe's argument given you spiel the meme about the date when there is
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 06:29 PM
5 hrs ago

case law that argues against that assertion.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
12. Yes. I keep posting Laurence Tribe's assessment of this (that it is now law) and they keep poo pooing HIM!
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:04 PM
10 hrs ago

So, I'm keeping tabs on the number of self-proclaimed "better than Tribe" constitutional lawyers we have here on DU.

Quiet Em

(1,385 posts)
19. Unbelievable how many people are upset that the ERA is now the law of the land.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:14 PM
9 hrs ago

This is a BFD. I'm celebrating too.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
24. Unbelievable that you equate
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:21 PM
9 hrs ago

questioning whether or not it was really ratified, given the deadline, with being upset.

EdmondDantes_

(159 posts)
29. I don't think anyone here is upset, I think we're realistic about what this means
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:27 PM
9 hrs ago

Given the time limit, the revocations, our impending administration, and the current courts, I don't see this actually holding.

I'd be happy to be wrong, women should absolutely be equal under the law (as well as trans people and other minorities). But unfortunately I'm skeptical.

bdamomma

(66,964 posts)
28. I started a thread on this.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:26 PM
9 hrs ago

I could have had my info wrong, but this was what I was getting at. I hope this current info is accurate.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219907289



melm00se

(5,076 posts)
15. President Biden's announcement will certainly
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:11 PM
9 hrs ago

draw legal challenges.

- The ability to put a deadline on a proposed amendment's ratification is considered constitutional. The deadline has certainly passed.
- There is no constitutional provision that allows or does not allow for a state to rescind their ratification.


SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
17. Exactly
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:13 PM
9 hrs ago

And these are valid questions that need to be answered, for now and for any future amendments.

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
21. You have not even bothered to read constiutional scholar Laurence Tribe's argument that defeats yours.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:18 PM
9 hrs ago

He cites cases that make it clear the "deadline" was NOT constitutional. I have posted it multiple times. But, no. YOU KNOW BEST. (hint... no you don't)

So why are you so seemingly happy to have women remain second-class citizens that you won't even bother to hear from one who has litigated (and might STILL) on constitutional issues before SCOTUS over decades? Why won't you even read his opinion?

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
36. Why do you continue to assume
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:35 PM
9 hrs ago

that people who are concerned about the validity of this so-called ratification are gleeful about the possibility of it not being valid? Are you able to understand that perspective that while we want the ERA to be ratified we want to ensure that it is ratified in a way that conforms to the Constitution?

hlthe2b

(107,265 posts)
39. Because they express it and refuse to read a knowledgable assessment that differs from their own uninformed one?
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:38 PM
9 hrs ago

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,462 posts)
42. As I told you before
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:43 PM
9 hrs ago

I have read it. I've also read what RBG said, and I've also read the DOJ opinion.

spooky3

(36,622 posts)
40. See Wiz Imp's response, #25.
Fri Jan 17, 2025, 02:41 PM
9 hrs ago

Professor Laurence Tribe argued the same things, in a Substack post today.

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