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bigtree

(90,397 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:28 PM Thursday

Jack Smith brought indictments against Trump August 1, 2023

...more than enough time to complete a trial before the election over a year later. It was an outrage that it was held up by the courts.

We watched judge after judge made to address constant bullshit appeals from Trump, finally leading to the Supreme Court which not only delayed the hearing, but set their decision to come right up close to the election.

It was the U.S. court system which failed us, but more to the point, it was a handful of maga justices and judges who engineered the deliberate delays until the election.

15 months was more than enough to complete a trial, but as we watched, the Supreme Court made clear that they were willing and determined to interfere with the process of holding Trump accountable with arbitrary rulings which ignored the Constitution and created new immunities designed for only one man who had brazenly flaunted the nation's laws to try and cling to power.

No other politician had done the same. No Democrats would be remotely likely to commit those same acts, ever.

Moreover, as Jack Smith indicated in his report, there was most certainly going to be another round of Supreme Court rulings on questions of their invented immunity defense to absolve Trump from guilt in appeals at the end of any trial. Several of the republican justices said as much in their remarks before sending the case back to stew in their owned court proceeding.

They had Trump's back going in, and would have it coming out of any trial, so it's just sophistry to blame DOJ for that clear collusion with their republican benefactor and political choice. Unless you're in the business of diverting from or obscuring the treasonous way the courts protected this insurrectionist former president, it needs to be made clear in our objections to the outcome just who it was that actually kept this indictment from trial.

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Jack Smith brought indictments against Trump August 1, 2023 (Original Post) bigtree Thursday OP
Recommended. H2O Man Thursday #1
Correct. Thank you. Oopsie Daisy Thursday #2
Recommended. Drum Thursday #3
K&R UTUSN Thursday #4
Agree. The felon mcar Thursday #5
K&R William769 Thursday #6
That's a false dichotomy. Even allowing what you state is true, the DOJ is not blameless. harumph Thursday #7
what I wrote is in evidence bigtree Thursday #9
no, a case like that probably wouldn't make it through the system in only 1 year, 3 months... Think. Again. Thursday #8

harumph

(2,447 posts)
7. That's a false dichotomy. Even allowing what you state is true, the DOJ is not blameless.
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:44 PM
Thursday

The degree to which the DOJ altered the final outcome by draging its feet will be argued for years.

bigtree

(90,397 posts)
9. what I wrote is in evidence
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:58 PM
Thursday

...what you claim is not.

There's no evidence of foot-dragging, just people dissociated with the investigation making it up.

I'd like to hear where DOJ is to blame for anything, backed up with the proof. It would be easier for me to go there than to deny facts that I've seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

I had hoped this report would make it clear to folks, but there's this stubborn illogic that persists which supposes the people working to hold Trump accountable, somehow, weren't.

The facts weigh overwhelmingly against that supposition or claim, for anyone willing to look at them and actually address them; in this report, for instance. That would be something. But it's been days now, and man, the critics are still repeating that untruth about Garland being inactive or delaying something.

...here are the facts I bring to the question:

Garland began investigating the Trump WH in 2021, extensively, including a year-long investigation into their finances.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/28/us/politics/trump-investigation-thomas-windom.html


https://www.cnn.com/2022/12/11/politics/jack-smith-special-counsel-high-profile-moves-trump-criminal-investigations/index.html



....all of these perps challenged their subpoenas to appear and testify before the grand jury, and some key witnesses weren't available to the DOJ until at least 2023 when they were able to defeat the appeals before panels of judges.

From Mike Pence to ‘fake’ electors, here’s who has testified to the January 6 grand jury or met with prosecutors
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/11/politics/grand-jury-testimony-list-january-6-trump/index.html

Think. Again.

(19,923 posts)
8. no, a case like that probably wouldn't make it through the system in only 1 year, 3 months...
Thu Jan 16, 2025, 07:55 PM
Thursday

...especially with trump's known delay tactics.

This should have been started much, much sooner, 2 years were seemingly intentionally wasted by foot-dragging.

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