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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsOk, Joe : this is the time.
In the interest of national security, it is time to declassify and publicly release:
* ALL evidence in the classified documents case.
* ALL evidence in the J6 cases
* ALL of the Epstein files (including the contents of "the safe" -- if it remains in FBI possession -- or the exact details of why it is no longer in FBI possession, and who took possession of it under Trump)
* ALL evidence in the Trump-Russia case, including the complete, unredacted Mueller Report.
Again, this is under his core presidential duty to protect the national security of the United States, and to see that the laws are faithfully enforced (both now and in the future).
He has "absolute criminal immunity" to do this -- the SCOTUS has established this now -- so any laws he breaks (grand jury secrecy, etc) 100% do not matter, and no official evidence can be used to even investigate.
So let's go, Joe
The nation desperately needs the truth, and you have the power to do it.
Your responsibility to the nation requires it.
MDN
Volaris
(10,593 posts)(On Edit) Also, he should issue blanket pardons for anyone on Trumps enemies list, that ALSO has the decency and democratic spirit to attend the inaugration...BECAUSE, if you think trump WONT try to have them arrested live on national television, well...
Failure of imagination is what got us here.
Mike Niendorff
(3,539 posts)Blanket pardons could definitely be issued -- up to and including every person in the United States that Trump could ever potentially go after, frankly. He does have that power.
Trump has already promised to pardon over 1000 J6 criminals, and has in fact already pardoned multiple co-conspirators.
And god knows Ford used the pardon power to save Nixon from certain prosecution, for *actual* crimes.
It's pretty clear that Biden could definitely use that power to pre-empt any or all of the political prosecutions Trump is clearly intending to commit, if he's willing. Which he 100% should be.
So yes, this sounds like a pretty good use of his presidential authority to me, in this exact moment in history.
MDN
MadameButterfly
(1,596 posts)who hasn't yet been accused of a crime. I think accepting a pardon is admition of guilt. And I expect Trump would ignore pardons anyway. Who would stop him? They would already be illegal prosecutions.
odins folly
(255 posts)Was for crimes he may have or may not have committed. Blanket pardon.
I could be wrong
Lochloosa
(16,395 posts)He had not been charged with any crimes when he stepped down.
JoseBalow
(5,007 posts)But I don't think a pardon would cover future crimes. So even if a past crime were unknown or not charged, it would still be covered by a blanket pardon. That's how I understand it.
Trueblue1968
(18,056 posts)Skittles
(158,548 posts)that is my guess
his State Department Blinken? This is a RED ALERT!!!
StarryNite
(10,773 posts)Jit423
(151 posts)At least those files should be copied and or taken to the Library of Congress for preservation.
Skittles
(158,548 posts)that corrupt POS Trump GETS AWAY WITH EVERYTHING
In It to Win It
(9,450 posts)Congress leaks. It'll get out.
Mike Niendorff
(3,539 posts)Joe does, and there's nothing Trump or the SCOTUS can do about that now
He needs to step up to the moment and throw it right in their criminal faces.
MDN
drray23
(7,935 posts)As part of the debate clause. So, they could enter any document in the public record by reading it and making it part of congressional proceedings in the senate.
republianmushroom
(17,406 posts)Now or never, your choice Joe.
stillcool
(32,710 posts)probably shredding going on already.
paleotn
(19,123 posts)Me thinks you need to explain yourself or that sounds very close to an attack on Democrats.
stillcool
(32,710 posts)are Democrats or Republicans? Surely in the vast expanse that is the federal government, life-long employees can do a little shredding? What about that is an attack on any Democrat? WTF?
Joinfortmill
(16,353 posts)Puppyjive
(581 posts)Get something done that will make an impact.
usaf-vet
(6,862 posts).... metaphorically kicking Trump in the balls. The pu$$y grabbing a$$hole needs to feel some pain before he gets sworn in.
Hand a gift to the rest of us who sent money, made calls, knocked on doors, and did whatever was asked of us.
Please send us a little post-election gift. It would go a long way to convincing me to volunteer the next time we are needed. What do we have to show for all of our gifts to help get Democrats elected?
Please don't treat us like Trump treats his support. He says f**kem when he gets what he wants.
WokeAintWhatIAm
(3 posts)I have been tweeting, posting and just damn saying - Joe, resign the office, and give her the 47th....
Pack the court, unrestrict Ukraine, and stop standing in the gap - you can't stop what has to happen
but you can make it harder for it to hurt us...
Frank D. Lincoln
(595 posts)to cope with the stress of Donald Trump shoving his Project 2025 up our asses.
bucolic_frolic
(46,823 posts)calimary
(84,186 posts)Sure would be hard for Trump to contain any of it if its released to the public. At least I think so.
TheKentuckian
(25,996 posts)I'm not sure who Vito is or if Tom Hagen can morph into him but he needs to show up for a few weeks.
paleotn
(19,123 posts)ancianita
(38,369 posts)But everything else, he might.
On Facebook, he says "text me at (302) 404-0880."
Give it a shot.
electric_blue68
(17,799 posts)But everything else, he might.
On Facebook, he says "text me at (302) 404-0880."
Give it a shot.
Who -is- the "he" here....Prs Biden?
Is this is a Prs Biden FB page?
If Not, then, who?
If this is something maybe useful to do; I need more clarification. Ty!
ancianita
(38,369 posts)Welcome.
electric_blue68
(17,799 posts)ancianita
(38,369 posts)No worries! I mean, who ever thinks of texting the president, right?
electric_blue68
(17,799 posts)Goes to compose text.
ancianita
(38,369 posts)Best of luck!
electric_blue68
(17,799 posts)JoseBalow
(5,007 posts)Show us what they're hiding, before it all ends up in a basement toilet somewhere in Florida.
Polybius
(17,694 posts)RFK said the same.
JoseBalow
(5,007 posts)Of course, I take him at his word.
Polybius
(17,694 posts)He said that he regretted listening, and this time he won't hold back.
Hopefully, it's not another lie.
JoseBalow
(5,007 posts)I hope he does change his mind, it would be at least one useful thing that he does.
Xavier Breath
(4,962 posts)JoseBalow
(5,007 posts)Still, I'd really like to know what they're hiding.
That said, I'd trade it all to find out what happened to Jimmy Hoffa.
spanone
(137,512 posts)🇺🇸
DC77
(135 posts)Dont you get it?
Woodycall
(299 posts)There could be actual 8mm photographic film (that can't be faked) of him sodomizing a 10 year old girl and they would love it. They would cheer. That's who they are...
Habibi
(3,601 posts)But it's too late. On our side, we know all of the depraved things he's done and we, the righteous, despise him with every fiber of our being. They know all of the depraved things he's done and they, the unrighteous, love and celebrate him. And they're in charge. And they will be in charge for like, now on... This is end-game now. Their 50 -year project is complete. Who's going to stop them? Who's going to save us? Could we have stopped the Nazis if they had our military capabilities including nuclear weapons? Because that's who they are now. There will be no D-Day this time I'm afraid...
DC77
(135 posts)Dont you get it?
masmdu
(2,568 posts)His text number is (302) 404-0880
AverageOldGuy
(2,011 posts)Biden doesn't have the balls to do what needs to be done. He's an institutionalist who does not realize that the institutions are on the way out.
Colgate 64
(14,840 posts)(or word processor) to God's ear.
Ilsa
(62,219 posts)moniss
(5,568 posts)destroy it all once they get in. It's what they did in the Scott Walker corruption case in Wisconsin once the rigged Supreme Court gave them the chance all of the evidence was ordered destroyed because they said it might "infringe on someone's 1st Amendment rights" or some such nonsense. The proof was all there about the crookedness, the names of the players and the people who funded it all. All gone now and never seen by the public.
Woodycall
(299 posts)And you know how "kitchen accident" Scooter cashed-in? He's got what is basically a "no-show" or "seldom-show" job funded by right-wing billionaires via right-wing "stink tanks". He has a total compensation package of just a hair under a million dollars a year. Not bad for a college drop out with no marketable skills. And that's the heart of it all. Every single republican politician is working for a similar payday. And Trump is at the top of the list. Stop thinking about it in terms of "ideology". There is no ideology whatsoever involved. It's organized crime on the largest scale. The scale of an entire nation. Just like the original German Nazis. Seriously. Watch Schindler's List again from that perspective. It's the entire subplot...
moniss
(5,568 posts)as I've recently mentioned these "groups"/"stink tanks" have grown so outrageously entwined and in number that it makes tracking it a life's work. But just as an example is the John birch Society and it's founders/funders. They also formed other groups with names like Western goals Foundation etc. You quickly found these groups conducting spying operations, arms running etc. and supporting covert operations contrary to what was stated law and US policy. They would enlist, by political donations of course, Senators and Representatives into the fold to run cover and also put them in touch with even more people. This stuff was a natural place for the neo-Nazis, white supremacists etc. because in addition to the groups anti-Communism fervor they also were against the Civil Rights activists and claiming them to be Communists. This was a conscious strategy of branching out and forming groups with different positive sounding names in order to distance themselves from the baggage of being Birchers and tied to McCarthy etc. But when you look at the roster of those involved in these groups all the way from the JBS on up to the present day you find the Kochs, the Hunts and even Roy Cohn. Most people think he sort of faded after McCarthy and was just doing his local crooking around New York but that's not the case at all and we know how the current tyrant was tied to Cohn and worshiped him. So by the time these folks got to the Reagan years they were in full swing to be major players in Iran-Contra matters. Many of these groups actively recruit former intelligence/military people to do their dirty work and for their connections in DC. It also goes both ways with nefarious actors in DC using these groups for "independent" intelligence operations.
In our present day we have the Scaife family, the Mercers, the Kochs and foreign oligarchs from Russia, China etc. all pumping billions and billions of dollars into the coffers of these groups and it would be a huge mistake to think it is about ideologies etc. As you pointed out this is about crime, money, control and power. It was predictable from the beginning when this stuff started blossoming and many people did warn of this back in the '50's and '60's. But now here we are with a bought and paid for Supreme Court majority and any effort to reign any of this in is DOA at their door. They won't change the tax code to rid these people of their tax exempt status because the money flows and buys the politicians which equals protection.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,313 posts)soldierant
(7,844 posts)that not only should this be done (to the extent that it does not actually compromise national security, as note in several comments before mine), but that it should be done through the UN, or NATO, or one or a combination of powerful ally(ies)? Because as of January 20, 2025, I can no longer trust the American government for anything. And I would not want all this evidence to get buried.
Martin Eden
(13,439 posts)Texin
(2,646 posts)beginning to understand how the tariffs will affect them. It's still too late. There's nothing left to do about it. We're fucked every way from Sunday.
AverageOldGuy
(2,011 posts)Biden is an institutionalist, he will not do anything to threaten the way the institutions in our country operate.
Irish_Dem
(56,335 posts)People do not care that they elected a criminal psychopath.
berksdem
(664 posts)It will do nothing to change any minds. Wake up and realize where we are at
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Enola
(35 posts)what to do next. It is over. No more USA. What should I do? I live in a red state. Should I stay here, move to a blue state? Leave the country? Sending Joe text messages is futile. Dems in government I'm sure are looking at options. There are none. We were so busy being ethical and virtuous we let them take over. Virtue won't save us now.
Dave Bowman
(3,533 posts)SunSeeker
(53,581 posts)Polybius
(17,694 posts)Even if there's a video of Trump in 1999 with a 16 year girl, he's still going to be President January 20th.
SunSeeker
(53,581 posts)Yes, he's going to get sworn on, unless he strokes out before then. But we need to establish that the Mueller Report found real collusion with Russia, because it did. That evidence was never allowed to come it, and we are the worse for it. The right continues to claim there is no such evidence, and tars all of the other accusations against Trump as more of the same.
Once Trump starts destroying the economy again, people will be less likely to overlook this kind of stuff. It needs to be out there for people to see.
Meowmee
(5,285 posts)Will prosecute him anyway when he takes office if J does that. Still worth a shot imo but my guess is he wont.
Evolve Dammit
(18,503 posts)CrispyQ
(38,166 posts)All the good he did will be wiped out by the fact that he didn't use his SCOTUS pre-approval to right the ship. I hope I'm wrong, but I just don't see it in him.
polichick
(37,560 posts)this total capture since Reagan, and Bidens either okay with it or isnt comfortable with the fight thats necessary now.
kimbutgar
(23,196 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,135 posts)People create their own realities.
SunSeeker
(53,581 posts)The defeatist attitude is a self-fulfilling prophesy.
SunSeeker
(53,581 posts)What the fuck are we waiting for?
Autumn
(46,148 posts)polichick
(37,560 posts)Silent Type
(6,472 posts)Mark.b2
(464 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,177 posts)It follows what is meant by the saying "Democrats bring a book of Proust to a knife fight."
Nigrum Cattus
(64 posts)Pres. Biden has surprised everyone with how he goes about things.
Wait until 19 Jan 2025 - we all might be surprised.