they love him cuz he gets away w lies. we didnt do enough to debunk his lies. we laughed at them.

[mopinko]

case it point- post-birth abortion.
there IS a kernel of truth in that- what they r talking about is neonatal hospice. i’ve ranted about this here many times. they have some statement from some judge, not in a case, say that letting them die is ‘neglect’ and wrong, and and.
they r babies who most women wd about in the 2nd trimester. not all, tho. some stick out, so they can- hold their baby for however long they have their baby. and now women r being FORCED to carry that doomed baby.

back in the day, those babies rly were neglected- left somewhere cold and dark to die. st ronnie outlawed that. now they get the same kind of palliative care u or i wd at deaths door.
wd the abortion debate b different if we had hit back w the facts instead of just laughing it off?

but to the broader point- i met someone the other day w that mentality. he talked about what a worthless shit his son was, all the son’s fault, or course. he’s the victim, see.
but to sing that song, u must lie. u must leave out your half of the truth, the fault.

women say he attacked them. he denies it, and gets away w it. THAT’S what they admire. he can lie about enything, esp the things THEY lie about, and he GETS AWAY W IT.
esp on this front. that’s what they admire, and want for themselves.

1 more issue- immigration. we didnt do enough to make clear the contribution of immigrants, OR what the actual number were and became. we made changes on the boarder that cut down numbers, but no one knows what they were. we just engaged in a he said, she said, when we had the numbers.
and we also NEVER talked about y the system is what it is- cuz biz wants it that way. THEY’RE the 1s who benefit. and it does keep the wages of citizens low by pulling the whole thing down w exploited workers.
bill clinton knew that, and did something about it. he created a data base employers cd check. w took it down.
we just dont ask often enough- qui bono.

[bigtree]

1. we laughed at his lies?

...c'mon.

[mopinko]

4. that lie, we did. "c'mon man, that's not happening" is a statement i heard over and over.

we didnt talk about what was ACTUALLY happening. or point out that we were about to get a whole lot more of them.

[Autumn]

2. His lies were often debunked. The media was the biggest problem with their covering

up for him and normalizing of him I lost track of the times he was called president trump and Biden was called Biden. His people were allowed to spew lies with little or no push back and when there was someone to counter them, the liar was always given the last word.

Little shit like that adds up. The media found out that they could influence the people enough that they could pick a braying jackass and make that jackass the most powerful thing in the world.

[TwilightZone]

3. Disagree.

Harris and her surrogates spent considerable time - probably too much time, in hindsight - calling out Donald Trump and the GOP for lying, including the nonsense about post-birth abortion. The media has also been doing so all along, the incessant claims on DU to the contrary. Fact-checking was going on pretty much continuously this cycle. Some just ignore whatever doesn't fit the narrative to push the silly assertion that "the media" never covers Trump negatively and the Democrats "never fight back". It's all nonsense.

Everyone knows who he is by now. It's not some big secret as some still assert, nearly a decade after he called Mexicans rapists and murderers. For half the country, they either don't care or it wasn't enough to vote for Harris.

In hindsight, she should have ignored him and run on nothing but issues. She was at her best when she was laying out her visions for the future and telling voters what she would do for them and the country. Voters want to vote *for* someone, not just against someone else.

[FSogol]

5. I also disagree. The media, even media we like, bothersided, normalized, and sane-washed everything

Trumpy said, making him more palatable to the wide swaths of Americans that just don't pay attention. Add that in to the racist, misogynist, mouth-breathers that make up the GOP's 29% and there you go: President Felon.