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defacto7

(13,551 posts)
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:16 AM 5 hrs ago

Constitutional question.

Not being versed in constitutional law, I'm wondering whether a US constitutional amendment would override the pro-life laws being put into place in individual states. Would it override state constitutional amendments after they've been made? Are there enough states at this point to ratify an amendment to ban on abortion? I'm worried but not sure of the possibility or probability. Of course, if the constitution is trashed, all bets are off, I guess.
Thanks

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Constitutional question. (Original Post) defacto7 5 hrs ago OP
Constitutional Amendments require 2/3 of both houses. TwilightZone 5 hrs ago #1
People that cannot win an election are delusional when talking about passing a constitutional amendment. TheKentuckian 5 hrs ago #2
I was talking about whether the present govt defacto7 4 hrs ago #8
They cannot pass one either but even a national ban by normal legislation TheKentuckian 4 hrs ago #10
Got it! defacto7 4 hrs ago #13
Depends on how it's crafted/written, and elleng 5 hrs ago #3
The Constitution and its Amendments are the supreme law of the land DetroitLegalBeagle 5 hrs ago #4
That's my answer. Thanks defacto7 4 hrs ago #9
The "supremacy clause" -- Article VI of the Constitution onenote 5 hrs ago #5
Short answer - yes FBaggins 4 hrs ago #6
Thanks, but I meant could the RW ban it as an amendment overriding states. defacto7 4 hrs ago #11
Same answer really FBaggins 4 hrs ago #14
Whew. defacto7 4 hrs ago #15
An amendment to the constitution would overrule state amendments Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #7
Either way, I take it. Thanks. defacto7 4 hrs ago #12
Take what? Nt Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #16
a figure of speech defacto7 1 hr ago #17

TwilightZone

(28,707 posts)
1. Constitutional Amendments require 2/3 of both houses.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:18 AM
5 hrs ago

Or a constitutional convention called for by 2/3 of state legislatures to propose. The latter has never resulted in an amendment.

It then requires 3/4 of states to confirm.

It's a non-starter.

TheKentuckian

(25,825 posts)
2. People that cannot win an election are delusional when talking about passing a constitutional amendment.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:20 AM
5 hrs ago

Yes, it would work. No, there is no rational hope of passing such.

We can't even get the Equal Rights Amendment ratified!

defacto7

(13,551 posts)
8. I was talking about whether the present govt
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:10 AM
4 hrs ago

could override state laws or amendments that protect abortion. In other words, could they outlaw abortion constitutionally. I guess that's been answered below. Thanks.

TheKentuckian

(25,825 posts)
10. They cannot pass one either but even a national ban by normal legislation
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:14 AM
4 hrs ago

would supercede state protections.

Depending on that stuff to carry the day is not viable.

DetroitLegalBeagle

(2,136 posts)
4. The Constitution and its Amendments are the supreme law of the land
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:28 AM
5 hrs ago

All other laws, Federal or State, and State Constitutions are subordinate to it. So yes, a Constitutional amendment to ban abortion, or protect it, would override every state law and amendments that are contrary to it.

That said, no Amendment is getting passed any time soon. The process to pass an Amendment is difficult, purposely so, and there is pretty much no way enough States will agree on it.

onenote

(44,406 posts)
5. The "supremacy clause" -- Article VI of the Constitution
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:28 AM
5 hrs ago

"This Constitution, and the laws of the United States which shall be made in pursuance thereof; and all treaties made, or which shall be made, under the authority of the United States, shall be the supreme law of the land; and the judges in every state shall be bound thereby, anything in the Constitution or laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding."

So, if a constitutional amendment was written that guaranteed women the right to choose, it would override state laws that conflicted with the amendment. Of course, the devil might be in the details -- exactly what does the amendment say.

And, as pointed out, there isn't going to be a constitutional amendment on abortion approved by 3/4 of the states in the foreseeable future, if ever.

FBaggins

(27,507 posts)
6. Short answer - yes
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:01 AM
4 hrs ago

Not much longer answer - if we had anywhere close to the level of support necessary to do that… we wouldn’t lose elections

FBaggins

(27,507 posts)
14. Same answer really
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:17 AM
4 hrs ago

Yes - that would work. But if they had anywhere near the support to get such an amendment passed it wouldn’t be necessary

Fiendish Thingy

(18,194 posts)
7. An amendment to the constitution would overrule state amendments
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:03 AM
4 hrs ago

But there aren’t enough states that would ratify such an amendment.

defacto7

(13,551 posts)
17. a figure of speech
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:23 PM
1 hr ago

meaning I get it, I understand, I guess. It's probably short for "I take the answers being offered as likely true."

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