I think he stole it.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

I have no proof and it sounds like sour grapes. But I was thinking about how people say everything he accuses others of is a tell for his behavior. What has his biggest refrain been since he appeared on the scene? The election was rigged. It seems unlikely because every other time he tries to pull a fast one he gets caught. Somehow they pulled this one off. I don't know how but I'm convinced he stole this election. The stakes were too big for him to lose. He's not going to jail and the only reason to run for office was to kill the DOJ stuff and he's off the hook. He's talks way more than he acts and I'm not saying he's not done some bad shit and no doubt will again but he thinks he's a King and he can order people around. He's in for a surprise. We (the collective group of Dems, Socialists, Lefty's, Progressives et al) must do all we can to make sure all D's in government stand fast against the uber conservative wall of bullshit headed our way............

[Meadowoak]

1. I agree 1000%

[jimfields33]

28. Vice President Harris disagrees. If she even hinted this, I'd be on board with this.

[Jit423]

79. Three things make me suspicious and they all came out of the mouths of Trump or his MAGA supporters BEFORE Nov. 5

To Niki Haley voters: We don't need your votes. We already have enough votes. He said this more than once. clip of one of those times

To each other and reported by the media: Why not dispense with security clearances and vetting. Just don't do security clearances.

To the media The Speaker and I have a secret plan. Just wait and see, it's a secret.

Why would Trump say these things if he knew he needed every vote he could get and why talk about security clearances and vetting before the election took place? Why have a secret plan that you talk about before the election?

[wintemark]

84. That whole, We have a secret, thing really freaked me out

They stole it with all the new voter suppression tactics and redrawn district maps.

[calimary]

86. Me too.

Has there been ANY clue or indication - of ANY kind?

[johnnyfins]

207. yes. the whole media is saying dem

Turnout was low. TSF gained no votes compared to 2020.

Does this seem like an election where dem turnout would be low?

He fucking cheated.

[Blue_Roses]

82. ...hmmm...She's not gonna say anything

if she did suspect something nefarious went on. She's a prosecutor and knows when to talk. She talks when she has proof. Plus, she's probably trying to settle things down. She doesn't want him unhinged and taking it out on us--because he would.

While I agree with you, I am trying to believe it was fair and we're just devastated. But, it's really more than that. Even with no substantial proof, but our gut feeling and alot of strange vote counting, something just feels off. I said in 2016 when my daughter and I were watching the returns then. Russia was helping him and later we found out they were. This feels like 2016, only much more sophisticated. I'm not gonna say anymore about it, especially not anywhere else. It's too exhausting to even think about that.

Time will tell. And remember Karma is a bitch, but she works in her own time.

[atreides1]

206. He's already unhinged...

...and he's planning to take it out on us...because he's a dick!

[TBF]

91. She is the last person who could say something -

it could never come from her because it would sound like sour grapes.

We would need evidence, but others would have to gather it.

[dpibel]

105. You're that easy?

Just a mere hint and you'd change your mind?

Be stronger, Jim!! Think harder!!!

[COL Mustard]

174. I'm with her...still...

TSF got more votes and more electoral votes. It's that simple.

[cpamomfromtexas]

198. If investigators are working she needs to stay quiet

[peachpit24]

33. I agree also.

It seemed we knew the outcome earlier than other elections. He was so outrageous towards the end. Like he almost wanted to lose. Maybe his friends Musk and Putin helped him out. He will be 82 after 4 years. Can you imagine what a crazy old man he'll be?

[AZ8theist]

36. Will be???????????

[bdamomma]

143. Yeah he

is now!!!!!!!!!!!

[h2ebits]

190. Trump will be carried out of the White House and replaced with JD Vance

I've been saying it for months. Trump is the figure head but we can all see he has deteriorated badly. J D Vance helped put Project 2025 together and he will take over not long after the vote is ratified and Trump is installed in the White House.

I believe that "great evil stalks the land" and we will need all of our strength to fix it. I'm 76 and hope that we can turn this around before I die.

The plan was in place many years ago and we are seeing the results. The Supreme Court was the final nail in the coffin. They overturned Roe vs Wade and then gave the President immunity from the law that governs our country.

We are in for a helluva fight!

[Escurumbele]

50. Why didn't Democrats protect the votes, why didn't they set up some infrastructure to ensure that republicans

could not cheat?

Why didn't Kamala try to bring the Latino community to her side? Why so many things that should have been done?

In my view, and I do like Biden, he should have gone into the presidency with one term in mind, to prepare younger blood to run for the presidency? It would have given a candidate a lot of time to prepare, to talk to communities that needed to bring to the Democratic side, why didn't that happen?

What Kamala did was extraordinary, she was dealt with a two plus month to run a campaign, and that is not enough time.

Sooo...if republicans stole the election, it is Democrats fault for not protecting it, for not trying to be ahead of the cheaters.

I blame the most all those people who decide to vote for a convicted felon, a rapist, a racist, and we know all his other criminal attributes, the USA citizens decided to throw their principles and morals to the toilet. It is the end of USA decency.

[TBF]

85. "So ... it is Democrats fault for not protecting it"

Victim blame, much?

[calimary]

119. Probably because we don't have many TRULY devious thinkers on our side.

Either that or we do have a few, but the bad guys have more of ‘em, and THEY’RE very well-practiced, having been devious thinkers - AND WORSE, for FAR longer.

[Babajida]

123. "...pushing back on federal authorities' decades-long practice of watching for violations of federal voting laws."

WASHINGTON D.C., DC — Some Republican-led states say they will block the Justice Department's election monitors from going inside polling places on Election Day, pushing back on federal authorities' decades-long practice of watching for violations of federal voting laws.

more...

[Mr.Bee]

80. Count Me In

I was watching the returns all night thinking, "this is impossible, could he really have swindled that many Americans who weren't even staying at his Rallies? Are there really millions of undecided voters? Do I smell Roger Stone? I smell something, and I don't think it's a fish market!"

On another note, Trump has many connections, and you 'they' say you can't build anything in Manhattan without help from the Mafia!

[Charging Triceratops]

202. Yep. I agree 10,000 percent

The fix was long in. Bezos found out late; hence, he quashed the endorsement. Mega-billionaires + Putin = The Fix.
There ain't no doubt about it.

Explain how Casey in PA, Slotkin in MI and Gallego in AZ all outperformed Harris by wide margins.
Few people actually vote that way in such a polarized election.

[Dem4life1234]

2. I think so too

Why did he tell his peanut brain supporters they would never have to vote again?

[orange jar]

7. It was his way of saying,

"we're going to make the country so great you won't have to vote ever again."

I know we prefer to take everything he says literally, but it has nothing to do with cheating or stealing the election.

[Sogo]

11. IIRC, he used the exact word "fixed."

"We've got it all fixed so you won't ever have to vote again."

[Igel]

18. Or you could get the evidence quoted correctly.

"After that, you don't have to worry about voting anymore. I don't care because we're going to fix it. The country will be fixed, and we won't need your vote anymore."

If you stop after the first two sentences, it's interpretable one way. But include even just the third sentence, and that becomes untenable. Include the previous paragraphs and it points less towards fixing the vote and more towards "fixing the country," whatever that means.

[Bluethroughu]

38. He also said he would be a dictator on day 1.

What happens on day 2?

Does HE relinquish power.

[bdamomma]

144. No

he will continue to be.

[whathehell]

156. Yes, because we know Trump has

a huge vocabulary, and a great need for precision in his word choices.

[CountAllVotes]

3. Lie, cheat and steal

Those are owned trademarks!

[SoCalDavidS]

4. I Am Beginning To Tend To Agree

I have ALWAYS thought "W" stole the 2004 election. He and Blackwell, in charge of Ohio's counting of the votes, were tight.

Just like then, our side refuses to put up any fight. And you are right, "T" laid the groundwork for a sour grapes reaction if we did.

But how exactly do all the "D's" in government stand fast, when we are vastly outnumbered, and the other side is a Fucking CULT? For the time being, we have the Filibuster, but I sense, ASSHOLES that they are, once they realize our opposition, that will be gone.

[Sparkly]

10. I agree re: 2004

But there weren't paper ballots to audit in that case.

[BluenFLA]

5. I agree

Who knows? But once he got the billionaires on board, especially Musk with his tech resources the fix may have been in. Of course proving this is a whole other matter.

[Justice matters.]

51. Mail-in voters who checked (if they tell the truth) on X:

My mail in ballot didn't even get counted I checked into it this morning.

Link to tweet

Joe Biden had over 81 million votes in 2020, and even taking into account the millions of votes still to be counted in California and Arizona, and let's say the new voters and first-time voters Kamala should have had (let's say around 5 million more), there are like 10 to 15 million votes that could have never reached their destinations or where just ignored?

[bdamomma]

148. Just a suggestion

and could be a start, is if voters call their State Election Office or Headquarters or check online if their vote was accepted and counted.

I think it was stolen too.

The night when polls closed they were calling it the red mirage, and when blue district votes came in we would see a vast difference. But that never happened. It was called quickly too.

Putin, Musk and the felon had it fixed.

But if those voters feel that their votes were not delivered or counted please call your State Election office.

[oldsoftie]

175. Maybe fewer people voted? Let the States show their numbers.

In GA the SoS said we had a record turnout. So apparently THAT state didnt have a "missing vote" issue
Every state knows how many ballots they sent out & how many were returned. PA has a Dem governor. wouldnt HE check? WI has a Dem Governor; same question. NC has a Dem governor.
So wheres the PROOF

[Justice matters.]

178. What if the numbers were tampered with without anyone being able to notice?

"we don't need your votes" the felon spoke?

Tampered with by his tech bro$??

[oldsoftie]

197. Then we can no longer say 2020 wasnt rigged in the same manner

And we can never have a 'real" vote again.
Every state runs its own elections. Machines aren't hooked to the internet or WiFi. election workers are from both parties. Harris underperformed in solid Blue states. She underperformed in EVERY state compared to Biden in '20
it was simply a LOSS.
Now figure out why.

[SoCalDavidS]

6. I Expect AG Garland Will Start Investigating Sometime Next February nt

[onecaliberal]

24. Oh no, it will be second Tuesday of next week.

[canetoad]

8. I believe so too

Not sure exactly how, but with the collusion of Musk, Project 25, Russia and others. Maybe a lot of bribes were paid to repub. election officials in swing states. Somehow the numbers just don't add up.

[intheflow]

176. No need to bribe sycophants.

They gleefully signed up to work the elections expressly to do everything in their power to install Trump and own the libs.

[tritsofme]

9. I hear Sidney Powell is available to investigate!

Come on, let’s do better than this nonsense.

[hadEnuf]

12. Its always very possible he stole it.

Did Trump suddenly turn honest overnight?

Over 40 bomb threats from Russia, and the FBI gives out a fucking 800 number to call about it?

Voter registrations up 20% yet millions and millions of Democrats supposedly sit out this election?

Years and years of drawn out election vote counts, yet this time it's all wrapped neatly by 12:00?

Yeah, it makes one "wonder a bit".

[onenote]

25. Voter registrations weren't up just for Democrats. Look at Florida.

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:44 AM - Edit history (1)

From 2023 to 2024, voter registrations increased by 495,504. Of that number, 313, 632 were Repub registrations, or 63%. Democratic registrations increased by only 38,000, or 7 percent of the total. The rest of the increase was in voters registering for a minor party or registering with no party affiliation. You want to compare 2020? In 2020, there were 100,000 more Democrats registered in Florida than Republicans. Four years later, the number of registered Republicans topped the number of registered Democrats in Florida by 1 million.

A lot of voters didn't like the choice they had this year. Sure, they should have recognized the clear superiority of Harris over Trump. But millions of voters are not like DUers -- they aren't politically aware, don't pay that much attention, don't read the newspapers or watch the news. They vote based on their perceptions and feelings. So when they feel the previous four years was bad, they look to switch. It's how Obama defeated McCain. It's how Biden defeated Trump. And now its how Trump defeated Harris.

I worked a small precinct in Virginia that is probably 90 percent immigrants -- mostly middle eastern and north Africa. They live in a large rental apartment complex. Four years ago, there were around 530 votes cast in this precinct -- around 400 for Biden, 100 for Trump and a handful for third party candidates. This year, nearly 700 votes were cast. Harris received 400 again, but Trump had more than 180 and third party candidates got 90, mostly Stein.

I knew we'd win the precinct and we did. But I also knew that Trump was doing much better than four years earlier. And when I spoke to voters it became clear that the Trump voters were voting based on how they felt the past four years had not gone well from their perspective -- higher prices, foreign conflicts, the departure from Afghanistan were among the things they mentioned. And while I could try to convince them that inflation was under control and not the Biden administration's fault, that foreign conflicts were not the administration's fault, that the Afghan withdrawal was set in motion by Trump not Biden, they didn't believe me or care. It was about how they felt about the past four years and they didn't feel that good about it. So they were voting for change.

[True Dough]

127. You make a good point about the desire for change

It's a pretty-well established global phenomenon within democracies these days. No matter their political stripe, many incumbents are struggling to get re-elected.

[MrWowWow]

133. They'll be screened for mass deportation soon enuf!

And everything will be all white again. You know...like in the 1950s ...

[CrispyQ]

154. Some of my friends were angry with Biden for running & not stepping aside.

Apparently he said something to the effect of being a bridge when he ran in 2020 & they took it to mean temporary & he would step aside in 2024. They felt Harris was hoisted on them & even though they recognize she's competent, they wanted an open primary & would have chosen someone else. IDK, maybe those very people saw the enthusiasm & thought, "I can set this one out."

Someone posted this yesterday. Across the board, the electorate is divided almost half & half. The pink & orange should be skinny little streamers going to his side, not almost equal.

[fierywoman]

13. I totally agree with you.

[Baggies]

14. Not going down that road

One can’t spend 4 years pointing out how the opposition party is a bunch of sore losers claiming we stole the election and then when we lose we do the exact same thing. Nope. Not doing it.

[CrispyQ]

152. It was misogyny & racism.

From the beginning of the teabaggers, I always underestimate the hate the other side has for women & minorities. Every time.

For the record, I think Biden would have lost too. He comes across as old & frail, while diaper Don's bluster & anger make him look tough to a lot of people. I don't get it.

[Doodley]

187. You nailed it perfectly.

[Baggies]

196. Not even close

And if the Democratic Party reaches that conclusion, the party will continue to lose, and deservedly so.

Unfortunately, the TOS limits members in certain discussions. So to accurately discuss what happened and why among my fellow rank and file Democrats is for somewhere with less constraints.

[CrispyQ]

208. Well, here's a thread with an article offering a different POV.

https://democraticunderground.com/100219687367

Maybe you can avoid violating TOS in this discussion.

[Liberal In Texas]

15. Russia.

Besides the in-plain-sight interference with fake video ads and bomb threats that closed polling stations, they no doubt have much more nefarious, secret and sophisticated ways to interfere in the various elections in the West to influence the outcomes they desire. No proof. Just speculation.

Besides costing some money, I see no reason not to do pro forma recounts. If nothing else, the stated results might assuage doubts.

[onenote]

30. Wasn't "no proof, just speculation" a good description of the Trumpers election denial?

Didn't make for a resounding case for challenging the results in 2020 and it doesn't make for a resounding case this year.

[oldtime dfl_er]

40. Agree

I have massive doubts. And it's my right to have massive doubts. They need assuaging.

[lostnfound]

16. I've seen strange things recently that make me wonder

See a combination of the plainest, most forgettable cheap clothes with rugged expensive cases trotting through airports, that seem on a similar mission.. can’t put my finger on it.

[kwolf68]

17. Fail

Don't become them. Every state the metrics were similar. The people voted for theocracy and fascism whether they knew it or not. Lets accept it and try to battle onward.

[Disaffected]

19. R-I-I-I-G-H-T

That's all we need now - another unfounded conspiracy theory to stir up even more anger and bitterness.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

26. You don't have to agree

and as I said, I have no proof. But as some detective once said, '“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.”

[Disaffected]

46. And you have "eliminated all which is possible"?

I'm thinking that is likely not the case.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

183. Of course not.

I'm old and prefer to spend my time on other things. It's just that things don't seem to add up. In either case, we are stuck with him and for two years, until the mid terms, it's gonna be like sitting in the dental chair, getting work done. Unpleasant and without painkillers.........

[Disaffected]

191. It's going to be rough alright.

But why only two years, until the mid-terms? I can't see any scenario for ousting him b/f the full four unless he gets 25th-ed or, impeached (which seems v unlikely as Dems don't have, or are likely to have after the mid-terms, the Senate votes).

I still view the whole thing as bizarre and inexplicable. "May you live in interesting times".....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. Exit polls are a rough check on the actual results.

How did they rig them?

[LeftInTX]

61. An 18 yo new inner city latina voted for Trump

Vanessa Guillein's family did. Republican areas had record high turnout. All you gotta do is look at a map here. Elon Musk paid people to stop working on Democratic campaigns. The list goes on.

[DiamondShark]

131. Musk was offering $250-500 a day.

[summer_in_TX]

64. Ah, Sherlock.

Sir Arthur Conan Doyle put that line in Sherlock's mouth.

[Abolishinist]

78. We saw an incredible play in the last several months at our local

Old Globe Theatre, entitled "Ms. Holmes and Ms. Watson, Apt. 2B".

It was incredible, I'd love to see it again, and I'm 99% positive the line '“When you have eliminated all which is impossible, then whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth” was in it.

And now, back to our regularly scheduled programming.

[summer_in_TX]

93. Have you gotten to see the two recent Netflix movies about Sherlock's younger sister, Enola Holmes?

We loved both of them, very clever and well done. A third is in the works, I hear.

[EdmondDantes_]

102. The guy who wrote that line also believed in goblins and fairies.

Literally wrote articles about how he believed pictures of young girls playing with fairies were real. Also given you haven't ruled out anything, it's more likely you're just jumping to the conclusion you want to believe.

If you'd like a maxim more grounded in truth, try all things being equal, the simpler solution is usually the best one. It would be really hard to go to even just all the swing state voting machines, put corrupt software on them, and not have anyone notice.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

188. Ok

how is that different from what I wrote?

[oldtime dfl_er]

41. stop trying to shame people

skepticism is valid.

[Disaffected]

48. I'm not trying to shame anyone.

Skepticism requires fact and logic to be valid though.

[Skittles]

103. just curious but

Trump has been screaming for years that he won with no fact and logic and HE WAS ELECTED PRESIDENT AGAIN

care to explain that?

[Disaffected]

108. Not really,

there is nothing there that requires explanation.

[Skittles]

110. LOL

you just said "Skepticism requires fact and logic to be valid though"

APPARENTLY THAT'S ONLY TRUE FOR DEMOCRATS

OVER AND OUT

[Disaffected]

112. Another non sequitur eh?

Over and out of it would be more appropriate.

[Skittles]

117. LOL

you REALLY don't get it

how about this:

DONE HERE

[Disaffected]

163. "DONE HERE"

Really, do you mean it this time. I hope so.

BTW, LOL

[oldtime dfl_er]

115. not true

The definition of skepticism is 'doubt as to the truth of something'.

Do you need the definition of doubt? It's "a feeling of uncertainty or lack of conviction".

[DET]

124. Fine

So let’s do an investigation with ‘facts and logic’ and get to the truth. How can you object to that?

[Disaffected]

164. No objection at all.

Go for it.

[stopdiggin]

57. extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence

is the old saw.

You're 'skepticism' is valid - when there appears some basis for it.
We haven't seen any. And a push-back against claims (without evidence) is perfectly valid.

[Jk23]

177. It's fine to shame people that deserve shame

For example that Kennedy idiot who believes in getting rid of fluoride and things vaccines cause autism he deserves shame.

I have no time for people that promote conspiracy theories and don't live in reality. We have Looney bins and churches for those people they need to get out of politics.

[Skittles]

99. so repukes do it and people vote for them

yup

[JustAnotherGen]

180. I'm getting you on this

Aha - they aren't really reading what you are saying. . .

This is why if there is a Presidential Election in 2028 - I would want Fetterman to run.

I think he can talk at that level - and smile while doing it.

[Faux pas]

20. Of course he (they) did.

Seems to me that the counting went too fast and there were NO glitches (burning drop boxes aside) to speak of. In my mind that's very surreal considering all shit that flew all over everywhere just 4 short years ago.

[Deuxcents]

21. I'm curious about the quiet part..lack of posters, flags and other signs for TSF..

Last election, they were plastered everywhere. Was there some kind of code they communicated with to get the word out to their supporters? Didn’t see any face painted guys with horns or confederate flags this time. Just seemed too subdued this time

[LeftInTX]

62. It all showed up at the last minute here.

[Deuxcents]

76. Maybe to celebrate but thru the 107 days with Kamala campaigning, there was little enthusiasm

Very quiet from the supporters..just went to rallies and they were low key. Seems strange to me

[LeftInTX]

97. It was probably that way on purpose

Around here Elon Musk paid a bunch of people to quit a Democratic campaign. They ended up working for a Republican candidate. Someone also was privy to insider gossip

However private individuals had lots of signs and flags. However, the local GOP put a few big ones up in Sept and they got stolen. They only reappeared after early voting started.

[bdamomma]

146. So voters

were being paid in Texas??? Was there any evidence of this???? Just asking.

[LeftInTX]

153. Campaign workers. They were paid to leave

and they dud. Went to work for Rs

[Hellbound Hellhound]

192. I just got back from an hourlong drive through upstate NY to my doc.

Where prior to the election about a month ago, there were one or two occasional Trump flags/signs. On this drive, every other house had Trump material, all brand new by the look of it. Some flags with the creases still in them. Saw a truck with all those Trump flags flying proud. Trump bumperstickers. Trump billboards. To me, it appeared that the Trump voters were there all along, just laying low.

And now, even my city is bristling with Trump paraphernalia. Flags hung from apartment windows. Trump signs on every lawn and American flags flying with Trump flags just beneath them on flagpoles.

They were there, waiting the whole time, to display their colors. Waiting for him to win. And now they're out and proud about it.

[CanonRay]

22. Something fishy going on sure as shit

[Island Blue]

23. I totally agree.

Just look at the down ballot races in North Carolina. Governor (D); Lt. Gov (D); Attorney General (D); Sec. of State (D); Sec. of Instruction (D).

Not to mention we flipped enough seats to get rid of the Super Majority in the house. SOMETHING IS ROTTEN AT THE PRESIDENTIAL BALLOT LEVEL!

[delisen]

66. Does NC use ES&S Voting Machines ?

Some of these may have tabulators that still connect to the internet after all votes are entered. That makes them vulnerable to tampering.. The company was caught being untruthful about their vulnerabilities in 2020.

In any case if the results you mention do seem suspicious. The first step is to know the exact machines used throughout the state.

I am not a conspiracy theorist or a programmer but worked with experts and a reporter in the 2000 election when the many issue with voting machines were uncovered.

[Island Blue]

142. I believe throughout the state

we use the kind where you fill in the bubbles. (Not sure what they’re called.) I suppose that it would be more difficult to cheat using those, but the results are still sus.

[Blue Owl]

27. tRump cheats at EVERYTHING.

Golf. Wives. Taxes. Paying bills. Nobody ever stops him. What would stop him from doing so in an election where he openly claims that cheating is going on???

[Cha]

43. And, put Billionaires, musk, & Vlad in the mx.

Yeah, I know it's C Theory and I don't do them. But this is Way Diffeent.

[Blue Owl]

69. I hate venturing into "CT" territory too -- but with tRump, how can ANYONE trust him?

After all we’ve seen, you’d be a fool to take him at his word….

[Cha]

74. Exactly and I ain't no "fool".. not about this

anyway. We've seen too much.. We know too much with our own eyes and ears.

Resistance

[malaise]

129. THIS

Rec

[valleyrogue]

29. I am sure there was quite a bit of shenanigans in the swing states.

It is the usual voter suppression. However, he had no "ground game" because his tech bro buddies decided to go after the racist, woman-hating, xenophobic crowd on social media.

What is hilarious is Trump's asshole base of incels and MRAs are now even less attractive to women. Jessica Valenti has a great piece up tonight about how absolutely pissed off many young women are over the election:

https://jessica.substack.com/p/the-fury-gap

[Cetacea]

139. The bomb threats in black polling districts and originating from Russian servers for starters

Given that the fBI released a tip line and that polls were forced to shut you'd think there would have been some major coverage on it. Imagine if that had been in deep red areas.

[orangecrush]

31. Two can keep a secret

If one of them is dead.

If it was fixed, it will come out eventually.

Right now, for us, it's irrelevant.

We need to focus on preparing.

[SCantiGOP]

32. The only people who disagree with you

Are the DNC, the Biden Administration, the Harris campaign, the USDOJ, Democratic members of Congress, MSNBC and the rest of the MSM.
But DU knows something that they don’t?

[Silent Type]

42. +1. And every investigative reporter/writer wannabe. Obviously has been only a few days, but I hope this is

put to rest soon.

[stopdiggin]

47. +1. same here.

This stuff is going exactly nowhere .... And does none of any good.

[inwiththenew]

89. They are obviously all in on it on as well

[Xoan]

182. The same people who LOST the election?

Yeah right, they're so smart.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

193. I never said DU knows something they dont.

I said I have no proof but that is what I think what happened.

[ecstatic]

34. the mass sms texts to black voters --- it's making me think there's more going on

than we know, especially when coupled with the 10 million less votes.

My mind is all over the place... maybe I'm in the bargaining or denial stage of grief, but I'm still absorbing everything. Something is definitely off though.

LOUD trump who filed a zillion lawsuits before the election is now as quiet as a mouse.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

35. That's one way

to grieve .

[elleng]

37. baloney

NO WAY it could have happened.

Electorate's uninformed, and media protects itself, NOT We the People or the Constitution.

[Cha]

39. Yeah I keep thinking about that too

TSF would drop a lot of little hint, also.. being the Diarrhea mouth that he is.

They're Fascist Cons, though. Putin's Puppets.. Not "conservatives".

[stopdiggin]

44. My answer will remain the same

You can THINK any darned thing you like .. (free country after all) ..
But, until you show me some evidence - you're just peddling the same crap that the other side did ...

It amounted to a serious disservice to the country when they did it (with no evidence) ... And, guess what ... ? Sames!

[Meadowoak]

49. we aren't going to find any evidence, unless we look for it.

[stopdiggin]

56. this has nothing to do with LOOKING

(nor did the OP or the post you responded to)
But rather about the propensity to shovel around large helpings of manure - - WITHOUT any inkling of evidence.

"I know something happened ... because I just feel ... "
That's sweet n' all .. but .....

[oldtime dfl_er]

45. he has always cheated

at EVERYTHING. It's who he is.

Also, Bezos must have been clued in at some point.

[SledDriver]

54. Dominion sued Fox for defamation, and won $780M

Seem to remember there were a few others they threatened to sue and/or sued for the same reason(s).
Thus solidifying that they have integrity and that they take it seriously and their integrity shall not be impugned!
So we can all agree that there can be no question that there were no shenanigans afoot here... right?

I mean, who would believe that... right?

I mean, they sued Fox and won over it. They sued FOX! Not the liberal NYT, or Soros-backed MSNBC. They went after FOX!
They must take their integrity seriously. After that, how could anyone suspect they'd engage in any kind of ratfuckery.

I mean, what? You're gonna claim that they doctored the vote in Trump's favor after they sued Fox for claiming they rigged it for Biden? Who would believe that? You'd sound as bad as Trump himself whining about rigged and stolen elections.

That's crazy talk... right?

[rainy]

134. Dominion is not the problem

It’s the mail in counting

[Susan Calvin]

55. After all the enthusiasm, I do find the huge drop off in Democratic votes suspicious. nt

[hamsterjill]

58. Okay, this is what bothers me.

I think something isn’t on the up and up.

1. The comment he made a few days before the election about “having all the votes” resonates with me. The way he said it - as if he already knew; and

2. The margin is so big. I’d be less skeptical if the margin was closer, but it’s almost like someone was doing something and decided to make it “bigly”.

No proof. Just my gut. Full disclosure, I think something happened in 2016, too. So why was 2020 what it was? Because Putin is smart and doesn’t push too far too fast so it doesn’t look obvious.

You can bitch at me all you want for saying this, but this is how I feel.

[mopinko]

150. that he won the popular vote smells the worst.

cuz i know the marching orders were- if he wins the pv, it wont b challenged. if he doesnt, there will b a fight. plus, it has bugged him no end that he lost it in 16.

[hamsterjill]

166. Has he actually won the popular vote?

Last I heard, they were still counting and there was a chance that it would actually be Harris.

I haven’t kept up in all honesty because no one will care now. But I care.

[mopinko]

168. no, he hasnt, and it may yet flip.

most of the outstanding vote is cali, and there’s more than enough votes to flip.
if they start finding uncounted vbm’s, that shd help as well. seen a lot of talk about that.

[onecaliberal]

201. No.

[wanie]

59. Speculating

I don't know but what if most of those red states up they count and lower the dems count across the board..just saying from how they were calling to get state officials to find votes in 2020 elections...it just seem weird how confident they were about winning and how disrespecful the campaigning was...how else could you still come out with a win.

[Polybius]

60. So why didn't he in 2020?

[Blue Full Moon]

141. He did try

He had a game plan

[ailsagirl]

63. I agree that SOMETHING was going on behind the scenes

I don't know how they pulled it off, naturally, but my gut tells me there were definitely some shenanigans going on.

Too many things just don't fit.

I suppose vance will be prez before too long. Great.

And I don't know why Kamala conceded so quickly.

Just my take.

[Clouds Passing]

65. Simply the absolute fact that they purged legal voters from the roles is cheating.

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Then there are the numerous R legal challenges to mail in ballots, and many other voter suppressing legal actions.

The burning of the ballot boxes.

The many bomb threats on election day in swing states only.

The malfunctioning machines in blue districts in swing states.

…..

At least should have an investigation. Dump was allowed to have over 60 court cases about his loss in 2020

[onenote]

71. Yes. Trump had 60 cases. He lost them all. Lawyers were disbarred.

Not a model we should be emulating.

[Clouds Passing]

73. I didn't say Ds should do it. I just said Dump was allowed to.

[tenderfoot]

95. His suits involved burned ballot boxes, registration purges and threats of violence at polling places?

I don't recall that, please refresh our memories.

[onenote]

100. And how will those lawsuits change the results of the election

Are they going to revote?
I get that people are upset and grasping at straws, but we're beginning to cross over into silly season when folks are suggesting every vote be questioned.

[tenderfoot]

104. We can say whatever we want here

people are allowed to vent. What do you care?

[onenote]

106. I know people can say what they want. But I don't think it does DU much good to turn into a forum for election denial.

Just my opinion.

You have the right to say whatever you want. And I have the right to call it silly. That's how a discussion board works.

[tenderfoot]

107. DUers have a variety of opinions right or wrong

eom

[onenote]

113. Exactly. And if I think someone's opinion is wrong, I state my opinion.

And where the opinion I'm addressing is based on stated "facts" that are mistaken or incomplete I try to point out why the poster's opinion is built on a flawed foundation -- like the claims made in a number of posts on DU that there is evidence of fraud because Harris only got 69 million votes or that the total number of votes is 18 million less than in 2020 -- claims which fail to recognize that there are millions of votes left to be counted or that vote totals have varied in the past - compare Obama 2008 to Obama 2012 to Clinton 2016.

So if its someone's opinion that lasers from Mars changed votes, I'm going to state my opinion that such a claim is ridiculous because, as a factual matter, there is no evidence that Martians wanted to Trump to win.

[onenote]

75. Link to evidence that millions of "legal" voters were purged?

Yes, millions of voters were purged over the past several years. Federal law provides for the regular review of election rolls. People die. People move. But if you have proof that millions of the folks removed from the election rolls in the past four years were "legal" voters, you need to get it to the DOJ, the media, and post it here so we can have confidence that it happened.

[Clouds Passing]

81. ...

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https://www.gregpalast.com/heres-what-we-do-now/

https://reports.voterpurgeproject.org/

https://truthout.org/articles/10-states-purged-over-19-million-voters-between-2020-and-2022-electoral-cycles/

https://www.demos.org/research/protecting-voter-registration-assessment-voter-purge-policies-ten-states

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/study-finds-states-purging-millions-voters-secret-often-erroneously

https://www.brennancenter.org/issues/ensure-every-american-can-vote/vote-suppression/voter-purges

[onenote]

101. Can you point me to where any of those sources said the voters removed from the rolls were all "legal" voters

Look, the removal any legal, eligible voter from the rolls is a bad thing. And the process by which election roll purges are conducted is flawed. But while these sources indicate that 19 million voters were purged between 2020 and 2022, they also estimate that the number of eligible voters caught up in these purges is in "the thousands". Not one of these sources suggests that all, or even most, of the voters removed from the polls are eligible voters. Nor is it likely that they would be given that the purges remove dead voters and voters who have moved -- typically, a not insignificant number.

[D23MIURG23]

67. I'd like to think that, but he improved in 90% of counties nation wide.

That's not a pattern I think is plausibly explicable by fraud. We've seen Trump try to steal an election before, and it wasn't sophisticated or competent. It failed badly.

If it was "stolen" it was by deploying propaganda to our stupid and gullible electorate. People are frustrated with their standard of living, and they incorrectly attribute the blame, and have no idea why it's not changing when Democrats promise to do something about it.

[TomSlick]

68. President Biden disagrees.

He said the election confirms that the system is fair, honest, and transparent.

In the absence of convincing evidence to the contrary, I am prepared to accept President Biden's analysis.

[GoYouPackersGo]

70. He didn't steal it any more than Joe did in 2020. Harris lost. Trump won.

THIS is who we are, collectively, as a nation.

[Darnell1972]

72. Stole it? In every swing state?

Possible- I guess. I wouldn’t put it past Trump if he had the means or organization to do such a thing. Still, I’m more than a little skeptical about such a claim. I’ll have to see some proof. President Biden said Trump, “won it fair and square.” VP Harris said basically, the same. I’ll go with what they say until I see hard evidence to the contrary. As a Party, we need to look seriously at the reasons why we lost then, gather the lessons learned and make the corresponding adjustments for the 2024 midterms. Accusing Trump of stealing the election without tangible proof, reduces us down to his level. That’s a place I certainly don’t want to go.

[AllaN01Bear]

77. personal alarms going off here .

[bikes and bunnies]

83. Greg Palast predicted Trump would steal it- again

https://www.gregpalast.com/heres-what-we-do-now/

Republicans stole the 2000 and 2016 elections with voter suppression.

There IS evidence, but Democratic leadership refuses to look at it, let alone act on it.
I guess they're afraid of sending a message to voters that their votes won't count, thereby discouraging turnout, but look at the results of that "see no evil" policy: We keep "losing."

[Blue Full Moon]

87. The republicans alway tell you what they are going to do

They always come up with some bs that they tell their followers that the democrats are going to do. Then they do it themselves and because they said the other side did it they get by with it. Big lie was to muddy the water and make it seem completely crazy and then do it. Example would be voter fraud. They holler democrats are doing voter fraud and yet almost every case of voter fraud is a republican. He hollers about Hillary's emails then he stuffs stolen classified documents in a restroom and other locations. So which pizza place did they meet up at to get children from Epstein?
The other thing he has veto proof senate. He has control of the house of Representatives and the courts.So keep him as tied up with as much bs to limit the damage done. Oh my, I sound like Mace Windu. Without the violence.

[Jarqui]

88. Greg Palast weighs in plus

https://www.gregpalast.com/heres-what-we-do-now/

Beyond Greg's comments:
The track record of Trump in his fraud case went well beyond the statute of limitations. $454 Mil was only part of the fraud. It stretched many years before that.
Over 30,000 lies or misrepresentations in the Oval Office and thousands before and after.
Indicted for 90+ felonies, convicted on 34 so far
Trump Org convicted of 17 felonies for fraud and tax evasion with his lawyer & CFO jailed for their crimes in it
We also have Russian involvement in prior elections (along with obstruction of Mueller) and alleged Russian bomb scares of Democratic polling stations this year plus bots in this election
Trump was in a desperate position: win or jail.
He's a career conman. He's been scamming people his whole business life.
Trump's always cheated. He couldn't help himself this time - the stakes were too high. He had to make sure.

The Dominion & Smartmatic and GA election worker defamation lawsuits plus Trumps 61 election cases helped to lay the vulnerability of the election systems bare. You don't think Trump people/Republicans also saw 'opportunities' there?

From all that, I'm not supposed to have any basis for some suspicions or skepticism?
I think you would be a complete fool and nuts not to scrutinize it.
Outwardly, they've taken the high road and maybe they are letting Trump think he can relax - that he got away with it.
I'll bet a bundle that they're looking it over - particularly in areas where their internal polling doesn't line up with the results.

[summer_in_TX]

90. I feel sure there was a degree of cheating by Trump and his supporters.

There were articles in the NYT and elsewhere about Cleta Mitchell training activists to challenge the registrations of many likely Dem voters. Many happened, but I am not convinced it was enough to change the outcome in the swing states.

Yes, election mail was certainly not all smooth or timely, but overwhelmed election workers were also struggling to process everything. At least that's a big part of what happened to my disabled friend who applied and didn't get her ballot in time to turn around and mail it back with any assurance it would actually arrive on time. Not positive that the problems were all the fault of the USPS, although it would not surprise me to find that some was.

We may never have our questions answered.

[moondust]

92. "We don't need the votes"

Why in the world does Trump keep saying, ‘We don’t need the votes’?

Why would he say that? Weird.

I haven't seen or heard any real evidence but...with four years to work on it someone might be able to produce a secret "plan" maybe with the help of some MAGAt insiders in state election offices.

[theplayer]

94. Strange

As I recall Biden got about 84,000,000 votes and Harris got about 69 million??? Didn't the Harris campaign have about 800,000 people getting out the vote. 69 million is a bullshit number. Anyone have a suggestion?

[onenote]

109. Your recollection is off.

Biden got 81,283,501 votes. At present, Harris has 69 million votes now, but there are millions of votes yet to be counted, particularly in California where it is estimated that at least 6 million votes haven't been tabulated. The final numbers will put Harris behind Biden's numbers, but by a smaller margin than we're seeing now.

And there is nothing inherently suspicious about the number of votes that a party's candidate gets varying from election to election. Even Obama saw his popular vote number decline by between 3 and 4 million in 2012 compared to 2008. And Hillary's popular vote total was similarly smaller than Obama's 2008 number essentially the same as Obama's 2012 number despite there being millions more votes cast overall in 2016 than in either 2008 or 2012.

[TBF]

96. I think so too - there were the comments about secrets and already having the votes.

It would be harder to manipulate in person voting - you call the votes in at the end of the night and you are going to send in all the ballots. It's all going to need to match.

But I could see fraud happening with mail in ballots. We all know who controls the post office.

[Six117]

98. So do I!

Nt

[Linda ladeewolf]

111. Remember

It’s not who cast a the votes, it’s who counts the votes. In this case, it could be who reports the votes. Even if the machines count the votes correctly, the people operating them could simply report a different number. The Magas had many people in place for just such a contingency. In swing states.

[onenote]

114. And we had observers in the polling places.

I've been an observer and what you just claimed simply could not have happened.

Maybe your experience as an official observer was different. I'd like to hear about it if it was.

[Linda ladeewolf]

118. It is possible that some

Of the poll watchers were in on it. There are many new electronic devices being created every year. We don’t know what the tech bros are working on or all that they know. No one can know and see everything that goes on. Whatever happened will come out. Things are too quiet on our side.

[LeftInTX]

120. Votes are placed on a USB drive. Two witnesses

observe and sign the opening tape.
Same when closing. Meanwhile, during voting a roster is made of each voter. The number of ballots cast better match the the roster or heads roll.

So I don't how Trump or Musk are involved in this. This is something Trump's team would go around saying to descredit votes. I knew this woukd happen. The GOP.spouted these crazy CT about voting machines

[Linda ladeewolf]

138. Are these USB drives checked

Before loading? Who checks them? I reuse mine all the time. I don’t use the cloud so I have a lot of data storage.

[Abolishinist]

116. Let me just say,

if I were ever charged with a major crime for which I was innocent, when my attorneys were questioning potential jurors, I'm certain they would dismiss you. Much to my benefit.

[GigiLeigh]

121. Not to stir the pot

But if you remember, TSF had his plane on the tarmac right next to a Russian plane and a Saudi Arabian plane for two days. I just always found that suspicious. Fwiw

[bdamomma]

147. was this

before election day????? in Florida, right???

[Ontheboundry]

122. This crossed my mind but..

He did better in blue states also. I doubt he has the resources to effect every state that is deep blue


New jersey, Virginia,.New York, New Mexico all are blue states and he did much better than last time

I've moved on from this already

[Babajida]

125. Yeah, sadly "It's the misogyny, stupid"

I'd almost prefer to think there was f*ckery going on than to come to terms with the fact that a majority of voters in this country prefer an addlepated felon over a highly qualified woman, probably because he's not a woman. (I know there was more to it than that, but that is definitely a factor).

[True Dough]

128. Addlepated?

The lexicon on you!

Welcome to the DU!

[Karasu]

126. I mean, he essentially did, but not in the way a lot of people are thinking.

The GOP spent the last 4 years effectively trying to rig this election on the state level, setting up partisan state voting commissions, gerrymandering, enacting stronger voter suppression, the list goes on...and that isn't even going into the more recent events like Elon Musk's ridiculous "ballot curing." The only thing is that it's not going to be thought of as "stealing" because unfortunately a lot of this shit is technically legal or has otherwise unfortunately been normalized in this country.

[Ontheboundry]

132. They Gerrymandered a state wide election?

Maybe I read this wrong

[Karasu]

136. No, I was just citing that...

...as an example of the actions they've been undertaking that are treated as acceptable and not seen as "stealing" (even if you're right in that particular example of gerrymandering admittedly isn't particularly relevant to the presidential election). But they were very open in their intentions to prevent another so-called "stolen" presidential election after 2020 and have spent Biden's entire presidency working to that end on a state by state basis, at all levels. I can't think of any major red state legislatures who didn't attempt something to that end, whether it was making it harder for people to vote, purging voter rolls, establishing voting committees of dubious constitutionality, etc.

[Sympthsical]

130. 100+ recs

Hoo boy.

"Election denialism is the worst thing anyone can do ever."

Unless we do it, I guess? Hokay. What a productive use of time this will be.

[Dorian Gray]

135. I suppose it's easier to feel this way

than reckon with the reality that the majority of Americans voted for him again. But they did. He gained support in almost every single constituency.

Crying fraud is NOT going to help us understand and do better next time.

[raccoon]

137. I totally agree. I was talking to somebody about this the other day, and she insisted, No, no,

it couldn't be, not as big as it was.

I totally agree with you. I TOTALLY AGREE.

THE ELECTION WAS RIGGED. TRUMP STOLE THE ELECTION.

[Blue Full Moon]

140. Skewed to favor republicans

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/oct/04/electoral-college-map-gerrymandering?CMP=share_btn_url&sfnsn=mo

[hannah]

145. Can't help but look at the results

The media kept telling us his ceiling was 47 -48 percent, but look who got the 47-48 percent. Sort of looks like they flipped the result in his favor. Of course, I will never be convinced he won ! I lived in West Palm Beach when they gave us the butterfly ballot in 2000.

[Mr.Bee]

149. I'm thinkling

It's Friday in California and only 59% of the vote has been counted.
Kamala Harris wins California

Kamala Harris 57.6% 6,092,896 votes
Mildewed Pumpkin 39.8% 4,207,262 votes

I thinking the rest of the country went this way, too. We just weren't allowed to see it.
For some unknown reason no one can explain, 12-18 million democratic votes were not cast compared to 2020.

[SoCalDavidS]

151. It Is Pointless To Discuss

Our side has folded up their tent and gone home. And anyways, we have an AG that won’t do shit.

[Mr.Bee]

157. I hope we still feel that way

when CRINK has our nuclear codes!
CRINK (China,Russia,Iran,NorthKorea)

[SoCalDavidS]

160. It Won't Matter

We control NOTHING.

[Tommymac]

189. No some are STILL fighting. Senator Bob Casey in PA for one.

I hope he gets a recount. If only to shed light on what happened.

[Wicked Blue]

155. Russian hackers

[kimbutgar]

158. The software in the tabulators was changed under the noses of states.

They had time to make those software changes secretly. The orange monsters campaign had a lot of tech bros who know how to change the software. Please SOS in swing states check on the tabulation software in your state.

[Mr.Bee]

169. I agree

People who don't know I.T. think it could never happen. We know different.
Paper ballots the solution? Stalin said, "it's the people who count the ballots."
Now we have a huge discrepancy of 12-18 million votes short that demand an investigation?
FBI are you listening?? Secretary of States are you listening??

[travelingthrulife]

159. I think he did too.

Proving it will likely never happen.

I think he did it with the help of Putin and his autocratic pals and Elon and his oligarch tech bro pals.

Between Elon and Putin I am sure they have come up with some sort of techno-dazzle to make votes appear or go away as needed.

[Botany]

161. I can't put my finger on it but the results don't pass my smell test.

They cheated. How? I don’t know but Musk and Trump are shits. Remember Trumps saying
we don’t need your votes we have it taken care of?

[Beck23]

162. It's amazing how many polls were wrong

Lichtman was wrong. Moore was wrong. Nate Silver was wrong. Even astrologers were wrong. I watched a video by an astrologer who said the planets said Trump would lose.

[suegeo]

165. The GOP can't win without cheating

The GOP has been shit for many years.

George H. W. Bush and the failed savings and loan bank, nearly destroy banking in the country.

Shrub stealing elections in 2000 and 2004. Carnage and death. Here and abroad. People lose their houses. Looming depression. Banks bailed out. Jobs lost. Just carnage.

Trump cheated.
Paul Manafort. Ukraine and Russia. Oleg Derapaska.

GOP congress people visit Russia on the 4th of July.

Bob Mueller and his report. That Bill Barr quashed.
Bungled pandemic. Death and carnage.

I could go on and on. It's recent history that I lived through.

More recently Benjamin Netanyahu visits Putin's Puppet after BB speaks at the UN. Thick as thieves.

The math isn't adding up about 2024. We might hear about how they (Netanyahu Putin, et. al.) did it.

But no, they did not get back into power fairly. They rigged the election. I won't be painted into the corner. Call me crazy. Crazy like a fox.

[Kali999]

172. exactly

Its who they are. Besides all the shit in this country i think Starlink and GRU did the rest. I mean they hold corporations hostage
for ransomware. That and musk taking over twitter, Rogan and the rest of them. Even if five eyes is working on it not sure any thing will happen. Anyways i am here because its not Daily Kos, and people can say what they want. Except on election night and after.

[Initech]

167. I keep saying this and I will repeat it.

I knew something was completely fucked up last week when both the LA Times and the Washington Post completely failed to endorse Kamala, because they were backed by their billionaire scumbag owners. And who's the owner of WaPo? Jeff Bezos, one of the richest guys in the country, maybe even the entire world. Who remained silent until Trump won, now he's out in the open about his support for Asshole. Democracy dies in darkness? They murdered it in broad daylight.

The goal of this election was to hand America over to the billionaires. We are not in control of this country, they are.

[ScratchCat]

170. Here's some food for thought

I've noticed some people's counter argument is that Harris, The DNC, DOJ, etc.. disagree.

Consider the possibility that, if they did have suspicions, a prudent person would not be vocal about it until all the votes were counted and you had all the proof. Otherwise, you look like the maga crowd when it doesn't pan out.

I'm not saying I believe it was stolen; I'm just saying arguing that "Harris doesn't think so because she hasn't said she has a concern" isn't really evidence.

[SCantiGOP]

184. So, thousands are keeping this quiet?

Even while Biden congratulates Trump and schedules a White House meeting to begin work in the transition?
That contention makes Trump’s 2020 claims sound reasonable by comparison.

[southmost]

171. big crowds and low turnout

the math isnt making sense... oh well we'll take the high road and keep moving backwards 😪

[oldsoftie]

173. My God we've sunk to THIS now?? "I have no proof"

If you think this one was rigged with no proof then why should we believe the LAST one WASNT??

[obnoxiousdrunk]

179. At least

MAGA's say they have all the proof that it was stolen.

[Dyedinthewoolliberal]

186. We've not sunk anywhere;

this is a discussion forum and we are sitting around the metaphorical coffee table discussing the election........... my opinion is not neccessarily the opinion of the Democratic Party etc............

[Jose Garcia]

181. You are correct that it sounds like sour grapes

Fortunately, the Democratic has more responsible than the GOP so they won't go down that road.

[totodeinhere]

185. I thought that we were the ones who did not engage is conspiracy theories.

You have no proof. Don't you think that if there were any possibility that he stole it that the Democratic Party would be all over it? Come on now. I am as upset about the results as you are but I am not going to make myself look silly.

[Doodley]

194. We already know Trump cheats. He tried to cheat last election. We already know Russia would cheat.

The stakes couldn't be higher this time. If Trump lost, it would be jail time for him. It would end the Republican Party for at least a generation because they would have to reinvent themselves after two successive Trump losses. If Trump lost, it would continue the war in Ukraine (and the crushing of the Russian economy). Putin can easily win the war with Trump pulling support and also trying to break up Nato and the UN.

The history of cheating is there.
The motives are stronger than ever.
We would be blind to not open our eyes to the possibility.

[totodeinhere]

203. Why aren't President Biden or Vice President Harris all over this?

The Democrats had plenty of lawyers ready to go in case he tried to cheat. And how do you think he could have pulled this off. There are many security measures in place to guard the integrity of the ballot box. And what about the Senate? We lost it too. Did the GOP senators also cheat? I don't think so. An operation that large would be impossible. I'm very disappointed in DU that some members of DU are engaging in crazy conspiracy theories. You make us all look bad.

[LAS14]

195. Let's not go there. It's disrespectful to the thousands and thousands of election officials and volunteers. nt

[babsbunny]

199. Me too

It is kinda silly, but I've been watching this guy every week. He's always said Kamala would win, there would be Republicans fighting it, but in the end she would be elected. Then, the unthinkable happened. I figured this guy would not make predictions so bold because he would be laughed off of Youtube and lose his income, and that might still happen, but this is what he posted after the election.


Sterling Psychic Medium
1 day ago
QUICK UPDATE For Everyone- I know everyone is shocked, angry and dismayed over the recent election results but please know that everything is not as it seems. During the next few weeks, we will see several investigations regarding the election results that will require federal Investigations into their authenticity. In the meantime, we are dealing at our home in California with a current power outage and a nearby widespread fire threat. I will keep everyone posted but we may have to evacuate shortly at some point. The fires are projected to last through Friday Morning. Everyone, stay calm and take care. I will speak with you again soon.

[Mr.Bee]

204. I can't believe our Federal Government

is allowing this to happen. "Oh well, he won..."
What if he didn't?
What if he cheated, with I.T. and Tech Bros?
I seriously hope they are actively checking into this behind the scenes...

[Quixote1818]

205. Nope, we lost support in deep blue states and red states that they had no reason to touch. nt

[Cirsium]

209. Of course he did

Of course the election was stolen. Nothing surprising about that, but it is very difficult now to do anything about it. The window of opportunity was shut a while ago. Why do people think that Trump and others kept hammering on "the Democrats are stealing elections!" nonsense? The Republicans stole that issue from us. Those on the Left who have been pointing out the election rigging efforts by the Republicans over the last 25+ years have been dismissed as cranks and conspiracy theorists, or just ignored.

All sorts of voter suppression tactics were used, and millions - disproportionately African American voters - were purged from voter registration rolls. Absurdly long lines in African American districts have become so routine that it has become normalized. "Look at those brave people standing in line or hours!" I saw posted here more tha once. Why should there ever be lines like that anywhere? Or else the voters themselves are blamed - they should have done this, they should have done that.

[Tribetime]

210. I just checked and my vote wasn't recorded yet in person

I don't know how long it takes to be able to verify it online.But it said it might take a while but as of right now it doesn't show I voted