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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(114,727 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:05 PM 17 hrs ago

Why George Clooney Is Facing Major Backlash From Fans About Presidential Election

George Clooney has been a celebrity leader in the Democratic Party for decades, but in the wake of Vice President Kamala Harris’ loss on Tuesday, Nov. 4, he might be rethinking his position. Some of his fans are criticizing him for his very vocal opinion to have President Joe Biden step aside and let someone else run for the White House this year.

In July, the 63-year-old actor wrote a controversial op-ed for The New York Times titled, “I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee.” Even though Clooney said he adored the man, he also claimed that the president’s cognitive health was in decline.

“In the last four years, he’s won many of the battles he’s faced,” Clooney wrote after Joe Biden’s lackluster debate performance on June 27. “But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. It’s devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe “big F-ing deal” Biden of 2010. He wasn’t even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.“

Clooney led the wave of other political figures to oust Joe Biden as the 2024 Democratic Party nominee which ushered in the movement for Vice President Kamala Harris to run. Now that the dust has settled and Donald Trump is the president-elect, the social media critics have chimed in.

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https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/why-george-clooney-facing-major-164525303.html

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Why George Clooney Is Facing Major Backlash From Fans About Presidential Election (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 17 hrs ago OP
Damn them, damn them all BluenFLA 17 hrs ago #1
Me too XanaDUer2 17 hrs ago #3
Me three. InAbLuEsTaTe 9 hrs ago #57
I doubt he would have won. Elessar Zappa 17 hrs ago #4
I don't think there were any poll numbers showing that Kamala would do any better. LisaL 12 hrs ago #32
Sigh...And If Biden lost, we'd asking if we should have gone the other way. No one knows. RoeVWade 4 hrs ago #97
Nope. progressoid 17 hrs ago #9
My feelings exactly. LisaL 13 hrs ago #20
I feel pretty confident that Biden wouldn't have won the election Dorian Gray 9 hrs ago #60
I actually still think that's true Deminpenn 9 hrs ago #62
I didn't want him pushed out happy feet 7 hrs ago #78
if you can, watch the 1st segment of Nicole Wallace's show yesterday, Matthew Dowd made an excellent point Native 7 hrs ago #80
I thought it was horrible how they pushed Joe out, tanyev 6 hrs ago #89
We can make a pretty good guess based on his really low approval ratings. AkFemDem 7 hrs ago #85
Well, as much as I've always loved Clooney, it is hard not to feel conflicted... hlthe2b 17 hrs ago #2
It was stupid. It was too late to change course. LisaL 13 hrs ago #21
Look at Joe Biden's approval numbers, then look at how voters view Trump. Biden has been light years better than Trump. Doodley 17 hrs ago #5
Biden's favorability ratings haven't hit 50 percent since 2021. onenote 14 hrs ago #19
I was ready to send Clooney Deep State Witch 17 hrs ago #6
He was trying to save this country. Sorry - but he was right. kerry-is-my-prez 17 hrs ago #7
Right? LisaL 12 hrs ago #24
Yes he was right, its pretty obvious AkFemDem 7 hrs ago #87
of course he was Skittles 11 hrs ago #48
Age and public appearance fucked Joe Biden. SharonClark 16 hrs ago #11
Why didn't age and public appearance fuck Trump? LisaL 12 hrs ago #23
because he is a repuke Skittles 11 hrs ago #49
Because NOTHING sticks to Trump Dorian Gray 9 hrs ago #61
I believe the inflation factor is missing from your list True Dough 10 hrs ago #56
Nancy P. had a hand in it. CentralMass 12 hrs ago #39
President Biden had a 39% to 41% approval rating in exit polls. DemocratSinceBirth 17 hrs ago #8
What is Trump's rating? LisaL 12 hrs ago #27
"Major backlash" by social media idiots? SharonClark 16 hrs ago #10
Of course Clooney doesn't care. LisaL 13 hrs ago #22
Biden runs in 2016 kwolf68 16 hrs ago #12
He was also mourning the loss of his son Beau Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin 16 hrs ago #14
I agree. Full stop. I thought Joe Biden would have ran in 2016. In It to Win It 11 hrs ago #52
The odds were against either Biden or Clinton in 2016 MichMan 6 hrs ago #88
The backlash against Clonoey is deserved regardless of Biden's approval rating standingtall 16 hrs ago #13
👆 CentralMass 12 hrs ago #36
I Agreed With Clooney Florida Dem 14 hrs ago #15
So why didn't he pen a similar Op-Ed about Trump? LisaM 10 hrs ago #55
Maybe he should have asked a year ago pstokely 14 hrs ago #16
Bingo newdeal2 14 hrs ago #17
Maybe all of us should have asked a year ago too In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #28
THIS soandso 10 hrs ago #53
I didn't like what he did but Biden would have lost by more JI7 14 hrs ago #18
Biden wouldn't have lost by more. LisaL 12 hrs ago #25
He would have lost by less In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #26
Well I guess we will never know. LisaL 12 hrs ago #29
Running an unpopular candidate, which he was (unfairly and undeservingly), was also stupid In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #31
What was Trump's approval rating? LisaL 12 hrs ago #33
I imagine they were also bad because Trump never had good approval numbers but Trump was not our candidate. In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #34
This message was self-deleted by its author Elessar Zappa 12 hrs ago #30
Did you see Biden on the Campaign trail in the last few weeks? Jk23 5 hrs ago #91
Honestly flvegan 12 hrs ago #35
It was Joe Biden's decision. The party couldn't make Joe Biden step aside. In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #37
Party demanding him to step aside forced him to do it. LisaL 12 hrs ago #38
Because it wasn't obvious that he should then. A Biden-Trump rematch seemed like anyone's guess In It to Win It 12 hrs ago #43
And what was pushing him out so late in a game going to accomplish? LisaL 12 hrs ago #45
The same that keeping him would have accomplished, a loss. In It to Win It 11 hrs ago #47
Lisa, he obviously wasn't fit for this Dorian Gray 9 hrs ago #63
Is Trump fit for this? LisaL 9 hrs ago #66
Article: Pelosi demonstrated the art of her power by pushing Biden out CentralMass 12 hrs ago #41
The ultimate irony. Democrats were afraid that Biden would lose and take down the House with him, LisaL 12 hrs ago #44
Well 2020 was an emergency sunnybrook 10 hrs ago #54
I truly don't see how any reasonable person saw a man up to a vigorous campaign. TheKentuckian 12 hrs ago #40
When people look at Trump, do they see a man up to a vigorous campaign? LisaL 12 hrs ago #42
You keep repeating this AZSkiffyGeek 7 hrs ago #77
Because it pisses me off that all these rules only apply to one side. LisaL 7 hrs ago #81
Ask Republicans AZSkiffyGeek 7 hrs ago #82
I don't need to ask Republicans. LisaL 7 hrs ago #86
Hell no! Chump was unfit as a baseline and now he is falling apart from that unacceptable state TheKentuckian 4 hrs ago #93
I'd like Clooney, Rob Reiner, Pelosi and whoever else Hassler 12 hrs ago #46
Exactly that was part of the justification for forcing standingtall 9 hrs ago #64
My feelings exactly. LisaL 8 hrs ago #69
Why should anyone listen to an actor exboyfil 11 hrs ago #50
I have to wonder who the millions of Dems were that stayed home voris820 11 hrs ago #51
About 100 million eligible voters couldn't be bothered to vote. The country is getting exactly what it deserves, and it JohnSJ 9 hrs ago #59
It wouldn't have mattered. After the disastrous debate President Biden's fate was sealed. The press would never had JohnSJ 9 hrs ago #58
There were so many things that Trump has done, LisaL 9 hrs ago #65
that spin only works for republicans. JohnSJ 8 hrs ago #67
Maybe we should learn how to make spin work for us. LisaL 8 hrs ago #68
I don't think it would work with the current media frenzy. They were so focused on Biden's "cognitive abilities", while JohnSJ 8 hrs ago #71
I blame media for this debacle as well. LisaL 8 hrs ago #72
I agree. They did the same thing against Hillary. I can't remember the exact numbers but the number of negative JohnSJ 8 hrs ago #73
He's getting his tax cuts RandiFan1290 8 hrs ago #70
I would blame the donors more than Clooney, it was them that forced Joe out. Mr. Sparkle 8 hrs ago #74
George Clooney is a smug asshole SADAR 7 hrs ago #75
It will pass................. Lovie777 7 hrs ago #76
Clooney is just another snake like Stephanopolous. live love laugh 7 hrs ago #79
If anything this election demonstrated our side also has a problem with donors BluenFLA 7 hrs ago #83
And neither Tester nor Brown benefited from Biden dropping out. LisaL 7 hrs ago #84
It started with James Carville. After the debate he called dem donors and told them to withhold money for Biden. ellemb 5 hrs ago #90
The biggest reason Harris lost was because voters associated her with an unpopular incumbent President Jose Garcia 5 hrs ago #92
Clooney is a dumbass now... Ysabel 4 hrs ago #94
Clooney is mega rich XanaDUer2 4 hrs ago #95
The debate PennRalphie 4 hrs ago #96
I don't CARE if some people think he was right. I STILL HATE HIM. Jack Valentino 3 hrs ago #98

BluenFLA

(152 posts)
1. Damn them, damn them all
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:09 PM
17 hrs ago

They pushed Biden out and while we'll never know if he would have won a second term, considering how the election turned out maybe we should have taken our chances with him.

BTW nothing against Harris but I still feel he would have squeaked out a win and even if he lost it would have been closer.

Elessar Zappa

(15,658 posts)
4. I doubt he would have won.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:12 PM
17 hrs ago

His polls showed him down by double digits in a blue state, Nevada, and losing all the swing states handily (also double digits). It would have been very hard to turn that around.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
32. I don't think there were any poll numbers showing that Kamala would do any better.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:07 AM
12 hrs ago

So what was the point?

progressoid

(50,713 posts)
9. Nope.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:35 PM
17 hrs ago

He barely won in 2020 and his numbers this time around were much worse.

This problem is systemic.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
20. My feelings exactly.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:55 AM
13 hrs ago

I always believed that forcing Biden out so close to the election was stupid. It was not going to accomplish a desired outcome.

Dorian Gray

(13,709 posts)
60. I feel pretty confident that Biden wouldn't have won the election
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:24 AM
9 hrs ago

And I agree with the people that are frustrated that he didn't bow out earlier.

Deminpenn

(16,238 posts)
62. I actually still think that's true
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:30 AM
9 hrs ago

I saw a lot of grim, umsiling faces heading into my polling place when I stopped by to check my absentee ballot was on their list. My precinct is about 2/3rds R and turns out at 70-80%, so the voters I saw were most likely Rs.

If Biden had been able to stay in the race, I think Dems wouldn't have been thrilled, but they'd have trudged out and voted for him. He probably would've won PA and the macho men unions like firefighters and building trades would've supported him because they know what the infrastructure bills has done for them and their members. Too many Dems and others looked at Biden's physical frailty and equated it with mental frailyy. The other factor is that age had made Biden's congenital stuttering not as easily covered up as when he was younger. His speech couldn't keep up with his thoughts leading to garbled sentences. His campaign should've asked for an accomodation of that at the July debate and from the media in general. Not any different from the deference Fetterman gets for having to use a speech to text device to help him after his stroke left him with an audio deficit.

happy feet

(1,072 posts)
78. I didn't want him pushed out
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:21 AM
7 hrs ago

BUT he was ill equipped to beat the anti Dem media machine which relentlessly nit picked Biden and gave the red carpet treatment to Trump's lies, felonies, etc. His mind was no longer quick enough to counter Trump during the debates...he was still honorable believing American wouldn't re elect a convicted felon with no morals.

Native

(6,352 posts)
80. if you can, watch the 1st segment of Nicole Wallace's show yesterday, Matthew Dowd made an excellent point
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:25 AM
7 hrs ago

...cracking the code so to speak. it had to do with Biden's favorability numbers. As you know they were in the 30's. In past elections, incumbent presidents received the same percentage of votes as their favorability rating at the end of their term, and VP's are impacted by this as well. In light of that, Harris did incredibly better than the numbers predicted. Here's a link. That discussion with Dowd starts around the 4:20 mark, but Nicole's opening statement before that is also worth a listen. She's calling for people to stay engaged, as is Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nicolle-wallace-it-s-time-to-get-to-work/vi-AA1tHxxi

tanyev

(44,422 posts)
89. I thought it was horrible how they pushed Joe out,
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:16 AM
6 hrs ago

but I was encouraged by how quickly everything solidified for Harris. And then I got excited by all the enthusiasm for her.

In hindsight, it looks like Trump would have won either way (yecch), but it was damn satisfying to see him completely lose his s**t over Harris.

hlthe2b

(106,053 posts)
2. Well, as much as I've always loved Clooney, it is hard not to feel conflicted...
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:10 PM
17 hrs ago

But, backbiting among our own is so damned self-defeating--especially now.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
21. It was stupid. It was too late to change course.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:56 AM
13 hrs ago

It was couple of weeks prior to the convention. What did they think it was going to accomplish?

Doodley

(10,219 posts)
5. Look at Joe Biden's approval numbers, then look at how voters view Trump. Biden has been light years better than Trump.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:19 PM
17 hrs ago

But voters think Trump is better. The myth that Trump is a great businessman and therefore great for the economy has never been busted. If Democrats can't even solve the problem that results from Trump sucking up all the oxygen and denigrating and redefining Biden, as he did with Hilary Clinton, while taking credit for everything good, tell me how could Joe have won?

onenote

(44,406 posts)
19. Biden's favorability ratings haven't hit 50 percent since 2021.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:43 AM
14 hrs ago

In 2024, leading up to his dropping out of the race, he was stuck at around 36-40 percent approval. He actually got a bit of a boost in his ratings when he dropped out, which should tell you something. His numbers among independents were even worse.

Yes misogyny played a role in Harris's defeat. But so did voters' association of her with the Biden administration and the Biden administration, simply put, wasn't all that popular. Hell, even among Democrats, Biden's favorability ratings in 2024 were in the 80s, not the 90s as one would expect. There was a huge jump in enthusiasm among Democrats when Biden dropped out and was replaced by Harris. But the reality is that the result was already pretty much baked in.

Deep State Witch

(11,218 posts)
6. I was ready to send Clooney
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:23 PM
17 hrs ago

One of those "FJB" flags that they sell at the MAGA rallies. Because that's what he did. F*cked Joe Biden.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
24. Right?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:01 AM
12 hrs ago

Is that why we are about to have president Trump? I have to live here, while Clooney can go live in his European Villa.
I don't have an European villa to live in.

AkFemDem

(2,064 posts)
87. Yes he was right, its pretty obvious
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:58 AM
7 hrs ago

Biden's approval ratings were absolutely tanked. If he'd had a good shot- Kamala would have won. In retrospect, she should have distanced herself more from him.

Skittles

(158,415 posts)
49. because he is a repuke
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:22 AM
11 hrs ago

repukes are treated like white men, Dems are treated like women and POC

Dorian Gray

(13,709 posts)
61. Because NOTHING sticks to Trump
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:27 AM
9 hrs ago

it's an uncomfortable reality.

Trump is all the horrible things. He's old, addle brained, stupid, narcissistic, angry, defiant, mean spirited. But over half the country preferred him to Harris, and MORE preferred him to Biden.

We need to grapple with that.

True Dough

(20,066 posts)
56. I believe the inflation factor is missing from your list
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:41 AM
10 hrs ago

It was a global problem, not just an American one, and the Fed tamed it better than almost any other nation. But the outcome was still much higher prices for consumers. When that puts the squeeze on many lower-income and sometimes low-information voters, and you have this orange salesman promising he'll improve life for you, unfortunately, too many people take the bait.

DemocratSinceBirth

(100,094 posts)
8. President Biden had a 39% to 41% approval rating in exit polls.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 09:31 PM
17 hrs ago

It wasn't deserved but that's of no moment. Every incumbent presidential candidate or the candidate from the same party has always lost with that low an approval rating-Stevenson, Humphrey, Carter, GWHB, and McCain lost. Kamala Harris won 15% of the vote of voters who disapproved of Biden. That was phenomenal but not enough.

SharonClark

(10,309 posts)
10. "Major backlash" by social media idiots?
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:02 PM
16 hrs ago

I’m sure George Clooney doesn’t care and I don’t either. Clooney did the right thing when Democratic leaders and those in the White House tried to gaslight Democrats who knew Joe was not up to campaigning.

These whiners need to move on because we’ve got bigger problems than their never ending and misplaced anger with George Clooney.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
22. Of course Clooney doesn't care.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 01:58 AM
13 hrs ago

He can go to his villa in France and live there while we suffer. Because we don't have a villa in France.

kwolf68

(7,866 posts)
12. Biden runs in 2016
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:06 PM
16 hrs ago

We are not having this conversation. I truly believe Biden wins in 2016, but it was Hillary's "turn". I realize Joe was PBO's Veep, but Biden is his own man and in his prime he was a lethal killer. Unbeatable. Hell, even a "diminished" Joe won in 2020. But he could never have seen this campaign to the end.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(114,727 posts)
14. He was also mourning the loss of his son Beau
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:21 PM
16 hrs ago

He wasn't much in the mood for running.

He says the reason he ran in 2020 was because Trump was fucking things up so badly.

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
52. I agree. Full stop. I thought Joe Biden would have ran in 2016.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:56 AM
11 hrs ago

I expected him to run in 2016. To me, he seemed like the obvious successor to Obama.

MichMan

(13,025 posts)
88. The odds were against either Biden or Clinton in 2016
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:00 AM
6 hrs ago

In the last 75 years, only once has the same political party won three presidential elections in a row. Historically after 8 years, people are ready for a change.

standingtall

(2,933 posts)
13. The backlash against Clonoey is deserved regardless of Biden's approval rating
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 10:14 PM
16 hrs ago

If your going to demand an incumbent President step down. Then you better win. We are 0 for 2 now when we forced a sitting President not to run for reelection. George Clooney doesn't even live in the U.S. but France so his money insulates him from the immediate consequence that he used his money to influence.

Florida Dem

(35 posts)
15. I Agreed With Clooney
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:19 AM
14 hrs ago

I find it extremely unlikely that Biden would have won this election after his disastrous debate performance. That was an absolute death blow from which there was no way to fully recover. It strongly reinforced an existing narrative that was plaguing his candidacy. As soon as Harris entered the race, she dramatically improved in the polls over Biden. I feel certain we ran the stronger candidate in this race. Nothing against Biden. I think he's been an outstanding President. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.

In my opinion the problem is not Biden or Harris. It is the clueless electorate that is extremely susceptible to propaganda and misinformation. A horrible sickness has infested the soul of this nation. I think we have to recognize that this was the overriding reason for the shellacking. Time will tell if we will ever be able to wrest back control from these maniacal fascists in the foreseeable future. Their susceptibility to absurd propaganda and misinformation is a science fiction level phenomenon. Worse yet, it is combined with a disturbing level of viciousness and bloodlust. Let's hold together and try not to look for ways to divide ourselves based on events that have already taken place. We had a great candidate who ran a flawless campaign and we left it all out on the field.

LisaM

(28,522 posts)
55. So why didn't he pen a similar Op-Ed about Trump?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:31 AM
10 hrs ago

Of course it wouldn't have mattered to Trump supporters but it would have made Clooney seem less of a hypocrite. I also think he was (wrongly) somehow blaming Biden for the war in Gaza, which was at the best of Amal Clooney and, in my mind, completely unfair.

People also choose to ignore that the timing of the debate didn't favor Biden, who had just travelled to something like 13 countries and just finished negotiating the release of five hostages. That would have worn out anyone.

newdeal2

(914 posts)
17. Bingo
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:24 AM
14 hrs ago

His stupid public op-ed was damaging. I doubt it made any difference to Biden’s decision, only embarrassed him.

soandso

(880 posts)
53. THIS
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:19 AM
10 hrs ago

The billionaire donors and Pelosi should have called a meeting with him privately before publicly humiliating him, which they did. Pelosi also threatened to do more by releasing poor internal polling. Then she said she had no problem with Joe but just that she didn't like the way his campaign was being run. Then that should have been addressed and fixed in a private meeting. All of the, "Hey we love you and you're the greatest (now GTFO)" was rotten and ruthless, imo. She said he hasn't spoken to her since. Gee, ya think, Nancy? SMH.

JI7

(90,337 posts)
18. I didn't like what he did but Biden would have lost by more
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 12:27 AM
14 hrs ago

I think a white Male that worked as hard as Kamala did and came off as good as she did could have won . Or a younger Joe Biden would have been more pubic throughout his time in office and that would have helped him win also.

Obama is the only non white candidate that would have won .

Inflation did hurt but also sexism.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
29. Well I guess we will never know.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:04 AM
12 hrs ago

But the whole idea of forcing out a sitting president a couple of weeks before convention is stupid. And for no other reason is that he is old.
Meanwhile an old Trump is apparently just fine.

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
31. Running an unpopular candidate, which he was (unfairly and undeservingly), was also stupid
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:07 AM
12 hrs ago

Joe Biden was a great President, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't getting through to people.

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
34. I imagine they were also bad because Trump never had good approval numbers but Trump was not our candidate.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:12 AM
12 hrs ago

Let them run their unpopular candidate.

We can only worry about our house.

The polling around people's feelings about the economy were never good, which was unfair to Joe Biden. However, they blamed him for it. It stuck to him. It stuck to the administration and they were never able to shake it. It's why they stopped all the messaging about how good the economy is doing.

Response to LisaL (Reply #25)

Jk23

(330 posts)
91. Did you see Biden on the Campaign trail in the last few weeks?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:22 AM
5 hrs ago

It would have been a lot more ugly.

flvegan

(64,568 posts)
35. Honestly
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:16 AM
12 hrs ago

The party should have maybe thought of something in advance before they sent a (very qualified and amazing) Joe Biden to take the presidency at 79. Add 4 years, add 8 years to that. They knew we'd have an 82 year old candidate at the time.

Just something to consider in the future. It's not Clooney's fault. I believe Biden's candidacy (rather than Harris') would have been even worse come election time. Not that we'll ever know.

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
37. It was Joe Biden's decision. The party couldn't make Joe Biden step aside.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:19 AM
12 hrs ago

Perhaps they could have suggested it but Joe Biden believed he could win.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
38. Party demanding him to step aside forced him to do it.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:21 AM
12 hrs ago

How could he stay if members of his own party demanded he stepped down?

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
43. Because it wasn't obvious that he should then. A Biden-Trump rematch seemed like anyone's guess
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:38 AM
12 hrs ago

Two unpopular people going against each other, the winner seemed like a coin flip. You didn't know whether it be heads or tails. It could have been anyone's guess. Maybe Joe Biden could win, maybe not.

The economic polling wasn't good, everyone hating inflation, Joe's approval numbers also not good... but the general feeling was that if Joe Biden had an even shot against anyone, it would be Trump. Everyone was pretty certain Trump would be their nominee.

I'm sure you know the political norm like I do that you don't push aside your incumbent so everyone steered clear and left it up to him.

The Party didn't pressure him until it became super clear it seemed like Joe Biden would lose against the other unpopular guy. It didn't become obvious that he should step aside until it was too late.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
45. And what was pushing him out so late in a game going to accomplish?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:42 AM
12 hrs ago

The only thing that is happening to us now.

In It to Win It

(9,350 posts)
47. The same that keeping him would have accomplished, a loss.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:04 AM
11 hrs ago

I don't regret the switch. I think Kamala Harris gave us a better fighting chance than we would have had with Joe Biden.

I would have loved a second Biden term if it was in the cards. I just didn't think it was in the cards for us. I would have supported him regardless if he had stayed in. I made another post saying that I voted for him 2020 thinking he would only do one term and voluntarily step aside. I still thought that up until the moment it became clear he was running for re-election.

He's passed some of the greatest one-in-a-generation policy. I wanted to see that legacy continue and shape the country. Unfortunately and unfair for Joe Biden, I wasn't that confident he would win. I couldn't feel that his industrial policy was getting through to people. People didn't seem to attribute the factory being built in their towns to Joe Biden even though it only happened because of legislation Joe Biden negotiated and signed. There didn't seem to be any effective communicators for that message. Pete Buttigieg couldn't be in all places at once telling people about this. People just didn't seem to connect the dots that that is the type of things Joe Biden and Democrats are working on.

I felt that legacy would maybe have to continue with another Democrat, unconnected to the administration, who could effectively communicate that message. They couldn't blame someone who is not in the White House for inflation. I'm even more certain of that opinion now after seeing the results.

Dorian Gray

(13,709 posts)
63. Lisa, he obviously wasn't fit for this
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:31 AM
9 hrs ago

HE should have made the decision not to run again back in January. That was his fault.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
66. Is Trump fit for this?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:54 AM
9 hrs ago

He could barely get into a garbage truck. Half of a time Trump just blabbers some gibberish.
So obviously one doesn't have to be fit for this.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
44. The ultimate irony. Democrats were afraid that Biden would lose and take down the House with him,
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:40 AM
12 hrs ago

so they forced him out a couple weeks prior to the convention. How did that work out?

sunnybrook

(1,223 posts)
54. Well 2020 was an emergency
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 04:22 AM
10 hrs ago

Joe knew he was the only candidate in 2020 that could beat Trump. Of course 2024 was also an emergency.

TheKentuckian

(25,825 posts)
40. I truly don't see how any reasonable person saw a man up to a vigorous campaign.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:30 AM
12 hrs ago

The point of view comes off as telling me that the issue is my lying ass eyes and ears.

Biden was no longer a capable communicator other than with prepared statements and never was great to begin with plus he now signals as very frail.

Part of the reason his approval is so low is because he couldn't sell his accomplishments while being able to convey in a meaningful way that there was more to do.

He had no business seeking another term despite deserving one on the merits because his campaign was a dumpterfire and dug a deep hole.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
42. When people look at Trump, do they see a man up to a vigorous campaign?
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:33 AM
12 hrs ago

Half of the time, Trump didn't even appear to know where he was.

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,570 posts)
77. You keep repeating this
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:17 AM
7 hrs ago

Yes, apparently half the country does see him as fit.
I don’t. But I didn’t vote for hiim.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
81. Because it pisses me off that all these rules only apply to one side.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:26 AM
7 hrs ago

Yes, Biden is old, but so is Trump. Trump is clearly not healthy, either physically or mentally.
Why was age only concern with Biden but not Trump?

AZSkiffyGeek

(12,570 posts)
82. Ask Republicans
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:40 AM
7 hrs ago

They nominated him.
I saw the footage from the Clooney fundraiser- Biden looked confused and disoriented until Obama led him offstage. He didn’t recognize a friend he mentored at the D-Day rally. And that debate was beyond horrible and seemed to confirm all the rumors that had started months before May and June’s public appearances.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
86. I don't need to ask Republicans.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:57 AM
7 hrs ago

I understand that Biden is no spring chicken. But couple of weeks before the convention was too late to make him drop out. It would have been a lot better to claim that Biden is totally fit, just as republicans do when it comes to Trump.

TheKentuckian

(25,825 posts)
93. Hell no! Chump was unfit as a baseline and now he is falling apart from that unacceptable state
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:09 AM
4 hrs ago

That doesn't fix Biden and actually made it look even worse.

Sundowning ass mad king buttery fucking Chump could present as more hale and forceful.

Biden is much more coherent BUT you too often have to bust out a transcript to demonstrate the fact and sometimes the transcript would also contain an uncomfortable amount of WTF as well but at least Joe was generally cognizant and knowledgeable.
Certainly not nutso going on about Hannibal Lecter and cancerous windmills.

However, that was easily washed away by whispy stuttering, rambling and just looking like he could blow away if someone opened a door too quickly or sneezed too hard.

Biden also seemed in no way physically up for the campaign and his day job at the same time.
I'm not sure he was even up for in 2020 as a private citizen and Covid made his run situationally possible.

Chump didn't have to manage the nation and much of the world on top of seeking office so he was going to be at an apparent vitality and footprint advantage.

It sucks. It isn't "fair" but it seems wild to me to deny the reality especially when the media environment is also considered.

Hassler

(3,618 posts)
46. I'd like Clooney, Rob Reiner, Pelosi and whoever else
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 02:56 AM
12 hrs ago

Through Biden under the bus to explain why we didn't win the WH and the Senate. Maybe not the House, but TBD

standingtall

(2,933 posts)
64. Exactly that was part of the justification for forcing
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:33 AM
9 hrs ago

because they had supposedly internal polling that showed Senators running ahead of him and that he might cost them the house and senate. Will Biden was forced out and if they capture the house their going to have nothing to show for it. You can't tell me if we didn't throw him under the bus, instead put a spin team around him that wouldn't have helped.

voris820

(26 posts)
51. I have to wonder who the millions of Dems were that stayed home
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 03:49 AM
11 hrs ago

that had voted for Biden in 2020. Was it because they were for Biden and angry when he was forced out? It'll be interesting to find out who they are.

JohnSJ

(96,326 posts)
59. About 100 million eligible voters couldn't be bothered to vote. The country is getting exactly what it deserves, and it
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:13 AM
9 hrs ago

can go f**k itself, because that is just what they have done.

JohnSJ

(96,326 posts)
58. It wouldn't have mattered. After the disastrous debate President Biden's fate was sealed. The press would never had
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:10 AM
9 hrs ago

let it go, and everyday would be hearing how he had cognitive issues.

Look at what the media did to Hillary 11 days before the election, based on the LIE that the email investigation was reopened.

Our illustrious corporate media has had a thing against Democrats ever since that jackass Bernard Goldberg wrote the book "Bias" accusing the media of having a "liberal" bias, the news organizations have gone out of their way to show they weren't liberal by playing bothsiderisms, even to the detriment of blurring the facts.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
65. There were so many things that Trump has done,
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 05:53 AM
9 hrs ago

that were disastrous. Or should have been. Trump's own debate performance against Harris, for one.
If Biden had a bad debate, it should have been just span as a best debate ever. Isn't that how it works for Trump?

JohnSJ

(96,326 posts)
71. I don't think it would work with the current media frenzy. They were so focused on Biden's "cognitive abilities", while
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:15 AM
8 hrs ago

ignoring trumps lies and incoherence.

Those that did try to point out that Biden did address the issues, were quickly ignored or brushed aside.

The media was out for blood against him.



LisaL

(46,417 posts)
72. I blame media for this debacle as well.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:17 AM
8 hrs ago

MSM ignored obvious signs of Trump's mental deterioration while harping on every little thing that Biden has said.

JohnSJ

(96,326 posts)
73. I agree. They did the same thing against Hillary. I can't remember the exact numbers but the number of negative
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:29 AM
8 hrs ago

stories on Hillary far surpassed any negative coverage on trump by a signifiant number.

Ironically both Hillary and Harris wiped the floor with trump in their debates, but it didn't matter.

The media, especially the damn social media bears a lot of responsibility for putting trump in power, and once he occupies the White House again, most of them will fall in line like the good little puppets they are.




Mr. Sparkle

(3,094 posts)
74. I would blame the donors more than Clooney, it was them that forced Joe out.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 06:42 AM
8 hrs ago

I would like to see them named and shamed.

BluenFLA

(152 posts)
83. If anything this election demonstrated our side also has a problem with donors
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:45 AM
7 hrs ago

Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:21 AM - Edit history (2)

Just like Musk, Thiel and the other billionaires control the Republicans (and forced Trump to pick Vance as VP), what happened with Biden exposed the powers behind the scenes who call the shots.

I remember how senators like Tester and Brown and that one in NM demanded Biden step down because their mega donors threatened to withhold support. Many of these people worked closely with Biden, didn't they see sooner than the public that he had issues? Why didn't they prod him to drop out sooner to allow time for a primary?

They reap what they sow, unfortunately we all have to pay the price.

LisaL

(46,417 posts)
84. And neither Tester nor Brown benefited from Biden dropping out.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 07:55 AM
7 hrs ago

In fact I am pretty sure that both Tester and Brown would have been better off if Biden didn't drop out.

ellemb

(85 posts)
90. It started with James Carville. After the debate he called dem donors and told them to withhold money for Biden.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:18 AM
5 hrs ago

Jose Garcia

(2,821 posts)
92. The biggest reason Harris lost was because voters associated her with an unpopular incumbent President
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 09:23 AM
5 hrs ago

It is unlikely that an unpopular incumbent President would have done any better.

PennRalphie

(266 posts)
96. The debate
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 10:46 AM
4 hrs ago

Why Biden’s team agreed to that is mind boggling. They should have said no debate. The republicans would have bitched and moan, but so what? Biden could have controlled the media and the narrative.

Clooney’s villa on Lake Como, he bought it for 11 or 12 million dollars. Any of you have a house worth that? Why he was chosen to send that message was so wrong.

Jack Valentino

(1,191 posts)
98. I don't CARE if some people think he was right. I STILL HATE HIM.
Fri Nov 8, 2024, 11:24 AM
3 hrs ago

He's the one who started the stampede on our side.

And there are two Democratic senators who also publicly asked Biden to withdraw,
who won't be senators anymore, come January. Unfortunately.



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