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George Clooney has been a celebrity leader in the Democratic Party for decades, but in the wake of Vice President Kamala Harris loss on Tuesday, Nov. 4, he might be rethinking his position. Some of his fans are criticizing him for his very vocal opinion to have President Joe Biden step aside and let someone else run for the White House this year.
In July, the 63-year-old actor wrote a controversial op-ed for The New York Times titled, I Love Joe Biden. But We Need a New Nominee. Even though Clooney said he adored the man, he also claimed that the presidents cognitive health was in decline.
In the last four years, hes won many of the battles hes faced, Clooney wrote after Joe Bidens lackluster debate performance on June 27. But the one battle he cannot win is the fight against time. None of us can. Its devastating to say it, but the Joe Biden I was with three weeks ago at the fund-raiser was not the Joe big F-ing deal Biden of 2010. He wasnt even the Joe Biden of 2020. He was the same man we all witnessed at the debate.
Clooney led the wave of other political figures to oust Joe Biden as the 2024 Democratic Party nominee which ushered in the movement for Vice President Kamala Harris to run. Now that the dust has settled and Donald Trump is the president-elect, the social media critics have chimed in.
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BluenFLA
(152 posts)They pushed Biden out and while we'll never know if he would have won a second term, considering how the election turned out maybe we should have taken our chances with him.
BTW nothing against Harris but I still feel he would have squeaked out a win and even if he lost it would have been closer.
XanaDUer2
(13,626 posts)InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,530 posts)Elessar Zappa
(15,658 posts)His polls showed him down by double digits in a blue state, Nevada, and losing all the swing states handily (also double digits). It would have been very hard to turn that around.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)So what was the point?
RoeVWade
(238 posts)nt#
progressoid
(50,713 posts)He barely won in 2020 and his numbers this time around were much worse.
This problem is systemic.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)I always believed that forcing Biden out so close to the election was stupid. It was not going to accomplish a desired outcome.
Dorian Gray
(13,709 posts)And I agree with the people that are frustrated that he didn't bow out earlier.
Deminpenn
(16,238 posts)I saw a lot of grim, umsiling faces heading into my polling place when I stopped by to check my absentee ballot was on their list. My precinct is about 2/3rds R and turns out at 70-80%, so the voters I saw were most likely Rs.
If Biden had been able to stay in the race, I think Dems wouldn't have been thrilled, but they'd have trudged out and voted for him. He probably would've won PA and the macho men unions like firefighters and building trades would've supported him because they know what the infrastructure bills has done for them and their members. Too many Dems and others looked at Biden's physical frailty and equated it with mental frailyy. The other factor is that age had made Biden's congenital stuttering not as easily covered up as when he was younger. His speech couldn't keep up with his thoughts leading to garbled sentences. His campaign should've asked for an accomodation of that at the July debate and from the media in general. Not any different from the deference Fetterman gets for having to use a speech to text device to help him after his stroke left him with an audio deficit.
happy feet
(1,072 posts)BUT he was ill equipped to beat the anti Dem media machine which relentlessly nit picked Biden and gave the red carpet treatment to Trump's lies, felonies, etc. His mind was no longer quick enough to counter Trump during the debates...he was still honorable believing American wouldn't re elect a convicted felon with no morals.
Native
(6,352 posts)...cracking the code so to speak. it had to do with Biden's favorability numbers. As you know they were in the 30's. In past elections, incumbent presidents received the same percentage of votes as their favorability rating at the end of their term, and VP's are impacted by this as well. In light of that, Harris did incredibly better than the numbers predicted. Here's a link. That discussion with Dowd starts around the 4:20 mark, but Nicole's opening statement before that is also worth a listen. She's calling for people to stay engaged, as is Biden.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/nicolle-wallace-it-s-time-to-get-to-work/vi-AA1tHxxi
tanyev
(44,422 posts)but I was encouraged by how quickly everything solidified for Harris. And then I got excited by all the enthusiasm for her.
In hindsight, it looks like Trump would have won either way (yecch), but it was damn satisfying to see him completely lose his s**t over Harris.
AkFemDem
(2,064 posts)hlthe2b
(106,053 posts)But, backbiting among our own is so damned self-defeating--especially now.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)It was couple of weeks prior to the convention. What did they think it was going to accomplish?
Doodley
(10,219 posts)But voters think Trump is better. The myth that Trump is a great businessman and therefore great for the economy has never been busted. If Democrats can't even solve the problem that results from Trump sucking up all the oxygen and denigrating and redefining Biden, as he did with Hilary Clinton, while taking credit for everything good, tell me how could Joe have won?
onenote
(44,406 posts)In 2024, leading up to his dropping out of the race, he was stuck at around 36-40 percent approval. He actually got a bit of a boost in his ratings when he dropped out, which should tell you something. His numbers among independents were even worse.
Yes misogyny played a role in Harris's defeat. But so did voters' association of her with the Biden administration and the Biden administration, simply put, wasn't all that popular. Hell, even among Democrats, Biden's favorability ratings in 2024 were in the 80s, not the 90s as one would expect. There was a huge jump in enthusiasm among Democrats when Biden dropped out and was replaced by Harris. But the reality is that the result was already pretty much baked in.
Deep State Witch
(11,218 posts)One of those "FJB" flags that they sell at the MAGA rallies. Because that's what he did. F*cked Joe Biden.
kerry-is-my-prez
(9,052 posts)LisaL
(46,417 posts)Is that why we are about to have president Trump? I have to live here, while Clooney can go live in his European Villa.
I don't have an European villa to live in.
AkFemDem
(2,064 posts)Biden's approval ratings were absolutely tanked. If he'd had a good shot- Kamala would have won. In retrospect, she should have distanced herself more from him.
Skittles
(158,415 posts)Biden was never going to win either.
SharonClark
(10,309 posts)Not Clooney.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)It's not like Trump is a spring chicken.
Skittles
(158,415 posts)repukes are treated like white men, Dems are treated like women and POC
Dorian Gray
(13,709 posts)it's an uncomfortable reality.
Trump is all the horrible things. He's old, addle brained, stupid, narcissistic, angry, defiant, mean spirited. But over half the country preferred him to Harris, and MORE preferred him to Biden.
We need to grapple with that.
True Dough
(20,066 posts)It was a global problem, not just an American one, and the Fed tamed it better than almost any other nation. But the outcome was still much higher prices for consumers. When that puts the squeeze on many lower-income and sometimes low-information voters, and you have this orange salesman promising he'll improve life for you, unfortunately, too many people take the bait.
CentralMass
(15,480 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,094 posts)It wasn't deserved but that's of no moment. Every incumbent presidential candidate or the candidate from the same party has always lost with that low an approval rating-Stevenson, Humphrey, Carter, GWHB, and McCain lost. Kamala Harris won 15% of the vote of voters who disapproved of Biden. That was phenomenal but not enough.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)SharonClark
(10,309 posts)Im sure George Clooney doesnt care and I dont either. Clooney did the right thing when Democratic leaders and those in the White House tried to gaslight Democrats who knew Joe was not up to campaigning.
These whiners need to move on because weve got bigger problems than their never ending and misplaced anger with George Clooney.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)He can go to his villa in France and live there while we suffer. Because we don't have a villa in France.
kwolf68
(7,866 posts)We are not having this conversation. I truly believe Biden wins in 2016, but it was Hillary's "turn". I realize Joe was PBO's Veep, but Biden is his own man and in his prime he was a lethal killer. Unbeatable. Hell, even a "diminished" Joe won in 2020. But he could never have seen this campaign to the end.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(114,727 posts)He wasn't much in the mood for running.
He says the reason he ran in 2020 was because Trump was fucking things up so badly.
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)I expected him to run in 2016. To me, he seemed like the obvious successor to Obama.
MichMan
(13,025 posts)In the last 75 years, only once has the same political party won three presidential elections in a row. Historically after 8 years, people are ready for a change.
standingtall
(2,933 posts)If your going to demand an incumbent President step down. Then you better win. We are 0 for 2 now when we forced a sitting President not to run for reelection. George Clooney doesn't even live in the U.S. but France so his money insulates him from the immediate consequence that he used his money to influence.
CentralMass
(15,480 posts)Florida Dem
(35 posts)I find it extremely unlikely that Biden would have won this election after his disastrous debate performance. That was an absolute death blow from which there was no way to fully recover. It strongly reinforced an existing narrative that was plaguing his candidacy. As soon as Harris entered the race, she dramatically improved in the polls over Biden. I feel certain we ran the stronger candidate in this race. Nothing against Biden. I think he's been an outstanding President. Everybody's entitled to their opinion.
In my opinion the problem is not Biden or Harris. It is the clueless electorate that is extremely susceptible to propaganda and misinformation. A horrible sickness has infested the soul of this nation. I think we have to recognize that this was the overriding reason for the shellacking. Time will tell if we will ever be able to wrest back control from these maniacal fascists in the foreseeable future. Their susceptibility to absurd propaganda and misinformation is a science fiction level phenomenon. Worse yet, it is combined with a disturbing level of viciousness and bloodlust. Let's hold together and try not to look for ways to divide ourselves based on events that have already taken place. We had a great candidate who ran a flawless campaign and we left it all out on the field.
LisaM
(28,522 posts)Of course it wouldn't have mattered to Trump supporters but it would have made Clooney seem less of a hypocrite. I also think he was (wrongly) somehow blaming Biden for the war in Gaza, which was at the best of Amal Clooney and, in my mind, completely unfair.
People also choose to ignore that the timing of the debate didn't favor Biden, who had just travelled to something like 13 countries and just finished negotiating the release of five hostages. That would have worn out anyone.
pstokely
(10,697 posts)And with the rest of the Hollywood donor base, asked privately
His stupid public op-ed was damaging. I doubt it made any difference to Bidens decision, only embarrassed him.
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)The billionaire donors and Pelosi should have called a meeting with him privately before publicly humiliating him, which they did. Pelosi also threatened to do more by releasing poor internal polling. Then she said she had no problem with Joe but just that she didn't like the way his campaign was being run. Then that should have been addressed and fixed in a private meeting. All of the, "Hey we love you and you're the greatest (now GTFO)" was rotten and ruthless, imo. She said he hasn't spoken to her since. Gee, ya think, Nancy? SMH.
JI7
(90,337 posts)I think a white Male that worked as hard as Kamala did and came off as good as she did could have won . Or a younger Joe Biden would have been more pubic throughout his time in office and that would have helped him win also.
Obama is the only non white candidate that would have won .
Inflation did hurt but also sexism.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)NT
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)Still a loss
LisaL
(46,417 posts)But the whole idea of forcing out a sitting president a couple of weeks before convention is stupid. And for no other reason is that he is old.
Meanwhile an old Trump is apparently just fine.
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)Joe Biden was a great President, but for whatever reason, it just wasn't getting through to people.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)NT
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)Let them run their unpopular candidate.
We can only worry about our house.
The polling around people's feelings about the economy were never good, which was unfair to Joe Biden. However, they blamed him for it. It stuck to him. It stuck to the administration and they were never able to shake it. It's why they stopped all the messaging about how good the economy is doing.
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Jk23
(330 posts)It would have been a lot more ugly.
flvegan
(64,568 posts)The party should have maybe thought of something in advance before they sent a (very qualified and amazing) Joe Biden to take the presidency at 79. Add 4 years, add 8 years to that. They knew we'd have an 82 year old candidate at the time.
Just something to consider in the future. It's not Clooney's fault. I believe Biden's candidacy (rather than Harris') would have been even worse come election time. Not that we'll ever know.
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)Perhaps they could have suggested it but Joe Biden believed he could win.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)How could he stay if members of his own party demanded he stepped down?
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)Two unpopular people going against each other, the winner seemed like a coin flip. You didn't know whether it be heads or tails. It could have been anyone's guess. Maybe Joe Biden could win, maybe not.
The economic polling wasn't good, everyone hating inflation, Joe's approval numbers also not good... but the general feeling was that if Joe Biden had an even shot against anyone, it would be Trump. Everyone was pretty certain Trump would be their nominee.
I'm sure you know the political norm like I do that you don't push aside your incumbent so everyone steered clear and left it up to him.
The Party didn't pressure him until it became super clear it seemed like Joe Biden would lose against the other unpopular guy. It didn't become obvious that he should step aside until it was too late.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)The only thing that is happening to us now.
In It to Win It
(9,350 posts)I don't regret the switch. I think Kamala Harris gave us a better fighting chance than we would have had with Joe Biden.
I would have loved a second Biden term if it was in the cards. I just didn't think it was in the cards for us. I would have supported him regardless if he had stayed in. I made another post saying that I voted for him 2020 thinking he would only do one term and voluntarily step aside. I still thought that up until the moment it became clear he was running for re-election.
He's passed some of the greatest one-in-a-generation policy. I wanted to see that legacy continue and shape the country. Unfortunately and unfair for Joe Biden, I wasn't that confident he would win. I couldn't feel that his industrial policy was getting through to people. People didn't seem to attribute the factory being built in their towns to Joe Biden even though it only happened because of legislation Joe Biden negotiated and signed. There didn't seem to be any effective communicators for that message. Pete Buttigieg couldn't be in all places at once telling people about this. People just didn't seem to connect the dots that that is the type of things Joe Biden and Democrats are working on.
I felt that legacy would maybe have to continue with another Democrat, unconnected to the administration, who could effectively communicate that message. They couldn't blame someone who is not in the White House for inflation. I'm even more certain of that opinion now after seeing the results.
Dorian Gray
(13,709 posts)HE should have made the decision not to run again back in January. That was his fault.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)He could barely get into a garbage truck. Half of a time Trump just blabbers some gibberish.
So obviously one doesn't have to be fit for this.
CentralMass
(15,480 posts)LisaL
(46,417 posts)so they forced him out a couple weeks prior to the convention. How did that work out?
sunnybrook
(1,223 posts)Joe knew he was the only candidate in 2020 that could beat Trump. Of course 2024 was also an emergency.
TheKentuckian
(25,825 posts)The point of view comes off as telling me that the issue is my lying ass eyes and ears.
Biden was no longer a capable communicator other than with prepared statements and never was great to begin with plus he now signals as very frail.
Part of the reason his approval is so low is because he couldn't sell his accomplishments while being able to convey in a meaningful way that there was more to do.
He had no business seeking another term despite deserving one on the merits because his campaign was a dumpterfire and dug a deep hole.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)Half of the time, Trump didn't even appear to know where he was.
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,570 posts)Yes, apparently half the country does see him as fit.
I dont. But I didnt vote for hiim.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)Yes, Biden is old, but so is Trump. Trump is clearly not healthy, either physically or mentally.
Why was age only concern with Biden but not Trump?
AZSkiffyGeek
(12,570 posts)They nominated him.
I saw the footage from the Clooney fundraiser- Biden looked confused and disoriented until Obama led him offstage. He didnt recognize a friend he mentored at the D-Day rally. And that debate was beyond horrible and seemed to confirm all the rumors that had started months before May and Junes public appearances.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)I understand that Biden is no spring chicken. But couple of weeks before the convention was too late to make him drop out. It would have been a lot better to claim that Biden is totally fit, just as republicans do when it comes to Trump.
TheKentuckian
(25,825 posts)That doesn't fix Biden and actually made it look even worse.
Sundowning ass mad king buttery fucking Chump could present as more hale and forceful.
Biden is much more coherent BUT you too often have to bust out a transcript to demonstrate the fact and sometimes the transcript would also contain an uncomfortable amount of WTF as well but at least Joe was generally cognizant and knowledgeable.
Certainly not nutso going on about Hannibal Lecter and cancerous windmills.
However, that was easily washed away by whispy stuttering, rambling and just looking like he could blow away if someone opened a door too quickly or sneezed too hard.
Biden also seemed in no way physically up for the campaign and his day job at the same time.
I'm not sure he was even up for in 2020 as a private citizen and Covid made his run situationally possible.
Chump didn't have to manage the nation and much of the world on top of seeking office so he was going to be at an apparent vitality and footprint advantage.
It sucks. It isn't "fair" but it seems wild to me to deny the reality especially when the media environment is also considered.
Hassler
(3,618 posts)Through Biden under the bus to explain why we didn't win the WH and the Senate. Maybe not the House, but TBD
standingtall
(2,933 posts)because they had supposedly internal polling that showed Senators running ahead of him and that he might cost them the house and senate. Will Biden was forced out and if they capture the house their going to have nothing to show for it. You can't tell me if we didn't throw him under the bus, instead put a spin team around him that wouldn't have helped.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)Bad debate-spin it as a best debate ever.
exboyfil
(17,974 posts)When it comes to politics.
voris820
(26 posts)that had voted for Biden in 2020. Was it because they were for Biden and angry when he was forced out? It'll be interesting to find out who they are.
JohnSJ
(96,326 posts)can go f**k itself, because that is just what they have done.
JohnSJ
(96,326 posts)let it go, and everyday would be hearing how he had cognitive issues.
Look at what the media did to Hillary 11 days before the election, based on the LIE that the email investigation was reopened.
Our illustrious corporate media has had a thing against Democrats ever since that jackass Bernard Goldberg wrote the book "Bias" accusing the media of having a "liberal" bias, the news organizations have gone out of their way to show they weren't liberal by playing bothsiderisms, even to the detriment of blurring the facts.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)that were disastrous. Or should have been. Trump's own debate performance against Harris, for one.
If Biden had a bad debate, it should have been just span as a best debate ever. Isn't that how it works for Trump?
JohnSJ
(96,326 posts)LisaL
(46,417 posts)NT
JohnSJ
(96,326 posts)ignoring trumps lies and incoherence.
Those that did try to point out that Biden did address the issues, were quickly ignored or brushed aside.
The media was out for blood against him.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)MSM ignored obvious signs of Trump's mental deterioration while harping on every little thing that Biden has said.
JohnSJ
(96,326 posts)stories on Hillary far surpassed any negative coverage on trump by a signifiant number.
Ironically both Hillary and Harris wiped the floor with trump in their debates, but it didn't matter.
The media, especially the damn social media bears a lot of responsibility for putting trump in power, and once he occupies the White House again, most of them will fall in line like the good little puppets they are.
RandiFan1290
(6,371 posts)Exactly what he wanted.
Mr. Sparkle
(3,094 posts)I would like to see them named and shamed.
SADAR
(6 posts)I'm glad he's getting backlash. May he end up like Mel Gibson.
Lovie777
(14,795 posts)and the Democratic party will still remain strong.
live love laugh
(14,231 posts)They should go to hell.
BluenFLA
(152 posts)Last edited Fri Nov 8, 2024, 08:21 AM - Edit history (2)
Just like Musk, Thiel and the other billionaires control the Republicans (and forced Trump to pick Vance as VP), what happened with Biden exposed the powers behind the scenes who call the shots.
I remember how senators like Tester and Brown and that one in NM demanded Biden step down because their mega donors threatened to withhold support. Many of these people worked closely with Biden, didn't they see sooner than the public that he had issues? Why didn't they prod him to drop out sooner to allow time for a primary?
They reap what they sow, unfortunately we all have to pay the price.
LisaL
(46,417 posts)In fact I am pretty sure that both Tester and Brown would have been better off if Biden didn't drop out.
ellemb
(85 posts)Jose Garcia
(2,821 posts)It is unlikely that an unpopular incumbent President would have done any better.
Ysabel
(1,865 posts)Poo on him...
XanaDUer2
(13,626 posts)He and his wife will be fine.
PennRalphie
(266 posts)Why Bidens team agreed to that is mind boggling. They should have said no debate. The republicans would have bitched and moan, but so what? Biden could have controlled the media and the narrative.
Clooneys villa on Lake Como, he bought it for 11 or 12 million dollars. Any of you have a house worth that? Why he was chosen to send that message was so wrong.
Jack Valentino
(1,191 posts)He's the one who started the stampede on our side.
And there are two Democratic senators who also publicly asked Biden to withdraw,
who won't be senators anymore, come January. Unfortunately.