Kamala did NOTHING wrong. She was, and we are, up against incredibly powerful anti-Democratic Party / anti-democracy

[LaMouffette]

forces, namely, the billionaire class, whose members include Putin, Musk, the Koch network, the Federalist Society, et al. Their goal is clear: everything autocracy, everywhere, all at once. And they're not going to let anything stand in their way.

Kamala did not lose, they WON, with their trillion-dollar "Democrats are evil!" marketing campaign that played out on Fox News, OAN, News Max, over 1,500 conservative radio stations, radical rightwing internet platforms, and, of course, Trump's Republican enablers in Congress.

The billionaires' campaign has been brainwashing Republican voters for years, and now the transformation is complete, much like the end of the cult classic Invasion of the Body Snatchers.

The question now is how on God's green Earth are we going to combat these forces?

[CrispyQ]

1. Yes! I'm trashing every thread that has some pundit's opinion about how the Harris campaign messed up. -nt

[LaMouffette]

4. She ran a brilliant campaign, in my opinion. My God, even Republicans were endorsing her! That's the real story. Oh, and

how the billionaires are teaming up to take over the world. They might want to talk about that, too. (sarcasm thing-ee!)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

29. The Republicans have used propaganda & psychological "tricks" for years to win.

To win, the Dems need to become experts on how to combat these tactics. This has been going on for years. They are experts on how to use psychology - which is sort of ironic, considering that most people in that field tend to be liberal.

[EarlG]

2. Tend to agree

Unfortunately I don't think things will change until the majority of Americans realizes what they've just bought into and how it will negatively affect their lives. It looks like voters wanted change -- and that's definitely what they are going to get. Many will end up with buyer's remorse, they will vote for change again when that sentiment reaches a tipping point.

[LaMouffette]

5. I agree 1,000 percent. Those who worship him will have to be hurt by him personally AND they will need to understand

that it was Trump and the Republicans who did it and not be suckered into believing it was somehow the Democrats fault.

[groundloop]

15. HOWEVER.... tRump has a ton of practice blaming other for his screw ups.

[Cosmocat]

9. Going to take a LOT

They will blame the libs for things and rationalize things the same way they did to vote for him in the first place.

[bdamomma]

22. Take away their guns

and see what happens. I only wish that felon would say that.

Do dictator's let their masses have guns???????????

[DemonGoddess]

30. I'm not holding my breath

so many of them STUPIDLY think he's the cat's meow. That he's some kind of "great businessman".

Ugh

[Whatthe_Firetruck]

44. If there even *is* another election...

Didn't he say something 'about you'll never need to vote again?

[La Coliniere]

45. Definitely agree with you

When they and their households are affected financially they will see the reality of what they helped usher in. Buyer’s remorse will set in.

[Quixote1818]

3. She didn't do anything wrong for sain people, but we still have to understand the electorate better

and find ways to break through to groups we lost like young men. We can't lose these young men for a quarter century. Keep in mind that Trump brings out a lot of creepy people who would not normally vote. Take Trump away and many of those people will go away.

[LaMouffette]

6. Yup. It could take a generation to fix. I just hope we survive that long.

[Cosmocat]

10. Agree w final point generally

But these people were activated by hatred, bigotry, seismic, etc. We really have nothing that Trumps that.

[anglesphere]

7. Totally agree

She could not have campaigned any better.

What we're up against is a cult whipped into a frenzy and it won't dissipate until Trump is either gone or his policies start hurting more of his supporters.

This is not a sign of any lasting resurgence or strength in the Republican party. They won't be able to sustain it.

It's not a sign of any weakness in the Democratic party.

It's an example of voters being distracted from the real issues and debate and independents voting in a tit for tat pattern.

If Trump can be held off from seizing power and fixing elections, I think we'll see a democratic president right back in power in 2028.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

12. Yep - people vote for Democrats to clean up the messes Republican make.

I don’t know if it’s going to happen within the next 4 years.

[bdamomma]

32. Propaganda, fear and division, misogyny

being drilled into people's head for over 10 years, Putin style. Keep on repeating and repeating till they believe it, and they did. And the billionaires are out for the kill.

And they got their useful idiot and their sycophants to cause chaos and steal from us.

It didn't have to be like this.

[Cosmocat]

8. 100% agreed

NM

[kerry-is-my-prez]

11. The Reps have been using propaganda since Gingrich/Reagan. People are going to social media for news.

There are a lot of crazy conspiracy theories out there. One is that Democrats have something to do with pedophilia.

[ificandream]

13. Don't forget the Supreme Court. They're as much to blame as anyone.

[LisaM]

20. Yes, they are. They basically forced him to run, with their immunity decision.

It's just to keep him out of jail.

[johnnyfins]

14. I just will not accept the supposed amount

of dems who sat this one out. Makes ZERO sense.

[Jit423]

18. Totally agree.

I am not trying to go full conspiracy bore here but I posted elsewhere that three statements by Trump and his close circle that were reported in the media (I will try to find later) made me very nervous and suspect at the time.

The first statement was by Trump himself who said at one of his rallies or somewhere that he didn't need Niki Haley voters. He already had enough votes. (this was said at least two to three weeks before Nov. 5.

The second statement was reported in the media as coming from either Trump or one of his cult. It was something about why should they have security clearance. Maybe this time Trump should not have any vetting or security clearances for his appointees and staff? This was also reported at least a week before Nov. 5

The third statement was from Trump himself about he and the House Speaker having a secret plan already in place.

OK talk me down.

[returnee]

26. agreed

[Jit423]

16. Not only brainwashing but the billionaire class has access to and uses technology that we don't even know about.

I don't know how to link a previous post so I just copied and pasted it.

Something doesn't seem right to me. I thought registration was up on both sides?
Reply to Coexist (Original post)
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 04:29 PM
Also wasn't mail-in and early voting up on both sides? What am I missing? Did that many people ask for mail-in and not send them in? And did that many people register only to not vote? Was it only the Democrats that failed to show up in the numbers expected? Why not?

The final numbers do not match the energy and excitement on the Dem side. It just doesn't feel right that so many did not follow through on voting. And tell me if I read the final data thus far incorrectly. The down turn in was mostly in the heaviest blue wall states of PA, WI, in addition to GA?
I'm just trying to wrap my head around the numbers coming out today. The numbers I find most unbelievable are PA in the Philly and surrounding areas.

Help me out

[johnnyfins]

43. Im with you

Something is not sitting well. And every media head is saying millions of democrats just stayed home. BULLSHIT!

No Roe effect? BULLSHIT!
No D ground game? BULLSHIT!
TSF won the popular vote? BULLSHIT!

Something smells rotten(besides the stench of TSF)

[Buckeyeblue]

17. She ran a spirited campaign but she lost

Fault doesn't matter. We lost. There was no wiggle room to not win.

If we are going to be honest, Biden should have opted out in the fall of 2023. Then we could have had a robust primary to choose our candidate. And that candidate would have had a full primary to build their popularity and find their voice.

KH got put in a tough spot.

But still it's about winning.

[groundloop]

19. Kamala in general ran a great campaign.....

HOWEVER, we need to get better at countering GQP lies. For instance, John Kerry didn't adequately refute the Swift Boat bullshit, I think if he'd have come out immediately with proof that it was a lie he'd have faired better.

In my opinion the "transgender" TV ads did a great deal of harm to Kamala, and I never saw anything aimed at addressing that.

AND there are groups of people (Black men, Hispanic men, etc.) where we need to get better at including in the Democratic Party.

[Skittles]

24. exactly what do repukes do to appeal to POC

seriously

[ancianita]

21. A chronology in four frames...

First = now
Second = 2025
Third = 2026 midterms
Fourth = 2028

[Skittles]

23. second verse, same as the first

she was held to impossible standards, while Trump was held to no standards at all

[Rizen]

25. What she did wrong was be a woman...

In a country full of misogynistic heaps of human dog shit.

[Skittles]

28. it's more than that

she was POC too! HOW DARE she try to be president.

[DemonGoddess]

31. AND in an interracial marriage

[Skittles]

40. ooooh

DOUBLE HOW DARE SHE!!!!

[DemonGoddess]

41. Exactly

What can I say? Morons will be morons just to make themselves feel better at everyone else's expense

[bdamomma]

38. Skittles

what's a POC??

[Skittles]

39. person of color!

yes indeed

[DinahMoeHum]

27. How to "combat these forces"??

I could tell you, unfortunately it's not fit for discussion here.

[sky_masterson]

33. She ran the greatest campaign I've ever seen against a Hostile media

Who questioned her every move while giving a pass to the clown.
Any other year this campaign would have been too massive to stop.
But we found out the hard way that masses of angry men can be manipulated to vote for anything.
They can be mass hypnotized.
You know, when Lyndsey Graham said "We arent creating enough angry white guys" we all laughed at how advanced we were.
Turns out, they cracked the code. They created more Angry white guys.

[Jk23]

34. I disagree I think overall she played not to lose rather than to win.

I don't think it was an awful campaign. (She did a better job with less than Hillary, for example) but you got to judge it by the score. When given an option, she too often went the safe route.

[Algernon Moncrieff]

35. I believe that the vote total was mostly about the economy

But the Republicans have been moving more authoritarian for 25 years. W Bush famously quipped "I am the decider" and there was theorizing about "the unitary executive."

I think part of the attraction to a more authoritarian model of government is the frustration citizens have with nothing getting done and seemingly solvable problems remaining unsolved.

[tritsofme]

36. Harris was never a very good presidential candidate, and I agree that is not her fault.

When given the opportunity in 2020, Democratic primary voters had very little interest in her campaign.

Unfortunately Democrats had no choice but to run her when Biden exited, she likely performed better than he would have.

Biden never should have run for reelection, the fault lies in his stubbornness.

A real primary earlier this year would have produced a much stronger candidate.

It hard to imagine Whitmer or Shapiro being completely swept out of the Blue Wall. She just wasn’t a good candidate.

[LudwigPastorius]

37. "Corporations are people, my friend."

...psychopathic people.

The chickens of Citizens United and unenforced antitrust laws came home to roost.

[tornado34jh]

42. I think we she was screwed from the beginning, not because of her campaign, but by plutocracy

It's always been against the oligarchs, more specifically, the plutocracy. They ran on this whole plutophobia campaign. By that, when Biden, Harris and a lot of people wanted more taxes for the extremely rich, they saw that hatred as against the rich. Note: the world suffix pluto- comes from Plutus, the god of wealth/riches, so plutocracy means a government governed by the rich. So from the beginning, the rich always had the advantage. But part of that is because we have such weak laws, if you can even call that, against money in politics. They convinced people, even though it was a scam from the beginning, that if you increase taxes for the extremely rich, it will cascade down.

But really this isn't anything new. It's as old as human civilization itself. The reality is, democracy ruled by your average person is not typically the main government. Even though we say it came from the Greeks and Romans, it really wasn't. It still was ruled by the rich and powerful. Even in very religious, theocratic governments, it's always going to be the rich and powerful. I would guarantee you that the ayatollahs running the government in Iran for example are likely very rich. Most governments in the world are ruled by some variation of ruling class with a lot of money and huge amount of inequality. There are not many people in government who started from the ground up, most were wealthy from the start.

But again, the Republicans have always been pro-plutocracy, and the damage started long ago. Assuming best case scenario where she did win and everything went well, her doing two terms would still be nowhere close enough to reverse the long lasting damage. It's not a dig at Kamala Harris, it's the reality. It probably would take at least two Democratic presidents, each for 8 years, two 4-year terms to do so, all while trying to defeat the plutocracy that has been here for a long time. So from the start Obama, Biden, and Harris were basically tied with at least one hand behind their back, and since 2000 it has only gotten worse.

[mvd]

46. It was a good campaign

And she was dealt a very tough hand. There are always some things you can look back on. I wish the President would have been one term to begin with. To me, Kamala was an excellent candidate. Unfortunately not though others saw that.

[somaticexperiencing]

47. why doesn't our side have the same kind of network in place? it baffles me that a prolonged progressive attack from

the media, the social media, the foundations and so forth is not present at all times.

[LetMyPeopleVote]

48. DEADLINE WHITEHOUSE uncovers REAL REASON Why Kamala Lost - Nicole Wallace MSNBC revealing Insights

I am a numbers geek. While I do blame part of Kamala's defeat on sexism, I heard today a good explanation as to what one of the major reasons for Tuesday's election results on Deadline White House today. President Biden had an approval rating of around 40% and the wrong track numbers were very high. Historically, an incumbent president tends to get the same percentage of vote as their approval ratings. Here Kamala got 7% or so higher vote compared to Joe Biden's approval rating which is a testament to the fact that she ran a great campaign.

Link to tweet

.

Joe Biden did a great job on the economy and prevented a recession. However the public was still upset at the fact that food and other things cost more and they felt bad about the economy. The high percentage of people who believe that the country was on the wrong track also hurt. In effect, Kamala was facing a very high burden to overcome and was unable to overcome the feelings that the country was on the wrong track and the fact voters were upset about the economy.