So No Outrage Over 12 Million Not Voting?

[Mr.Bee]

In 2020:
Biden: 81 million votes
Tuesday:
Harris: 66 million votes
a difference of 12 million votes. In 2000, it was an outrage Gore won by 500,000. This is 12,000,000!
Was it voter suppression? Was it undecideds? Was it a Republican scheme?
I think this is an issue that deserves some investigation!

[Johnny2X2X]

1. They're still counting votes

She's up to 68.5M and will get a few million more.

But it will be several million short of Biden's 2020 total while Trump will be right around his 2020 total.

And there's plenty of outrage here on DU, we've had several threads on it.

People got some of Trump's ads wrong, they weren't necessarily to get people tovote for Trump, they were designed to get Biden voters to stay home and not vote at all.

[Mr.Bee]

3. It would have been a landslide!

Do you mean 68.5 more than the 12 million electoral?
68.5 million will only go to the popular vote which means nothing.
Sorry about the lateness, I've been locked out since the election and had to rely on other sources.
Imagine if that was voter suppression, that 12 million spread over all the battleground states being counted towards 270?
Of course it would have been a landslide!

[Johnny2X2X]

11. This was another 220K vote election

She lost MI by 60K votes. WI by 30K votes. PA by 130K votes

in MI, she lost because of Gaza. People stayed home or voted Trump because of Gaza. The difference between 2020 in Dearborn alone wouyld have flipped the state. Unfortunately this probably means Gaza will be wiped off the map. That entire campaign was being funded and stoked by Trump's foreign supporters.

In PA and WI, who knows, but vote totals were similar to 2020 in those states, basically he got a few tens of thousands of people to flip.

It's not some massive movement of voters, it's some people strayed home and a few small groups decided to vote for Trump.

[John1956PA]

12. So far as the PA count is going, the total votes cast in 2024 are near the number cast in 2020.

In 2020, the combined votes to Biden and Trump were 6,835,903.

In 2024, the current combined votes to Biden and Trump are 6,819,811, and the counting is continuing.

[Sneederbunk]

2. So we are to think that those who do not want to be counted count?

[onecaliberal]

4. I want to know where 15 million votes are?

We were told there was record voting. Both of these things CANT be true.

[Mr.Bee]

6. Agree!

Was it Trumpublican voter suppression?
Or was it Undecideds?
If it was Undecideds, I hope you enjoy your NAZI victory.

[Jersey Devil]

9. Who said there was "record voting"?

The only state that said they set a record that I know of is Wisconsin and we lost there as well.

Anecdotal stories of "long lines" doesn't prove anything about total turnout.

[onecaliberal]

23. I heard reporting on MSGOP with my own ears every good damed day of early voting was setting records everywhere.

So please. I don’t need anymore gaslighting.

[Jersey Devil]

24. Gaslighting? Pot - kettle - black

So what if records were set on specific days of early voting. That proves nothing.

[Jersey Devil]

31. The pleasure is mine

[dsc]

26. My state set records with the early vote

but election day was very light. Total was about the same or slightly lower than in 2020. NC is state I am talking about.

[Kaleva]

16. What is your source that there was record voting?

I saw posts here by people saying there was long lines where they were at at but that's about it.

[Zeitghost]

27. There was no record turnout

And there are not 15 million missing voters. After every vote is counted, it will likely be closer to 6 or 7 million who stayed home.

[Renew Deal]

5. That looks like more than 12 million

[TwilightZone]

8. She'll get another roughly 4 million from California.

They're 56% done.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/11/05/us/elections/results-california.html

[TwilightZone]

7. It's not necessarily that they didn't vote.

It's that Harris wasn't able to build a coalition on the same scale as Biden. Biden brought in a lot of independents, moderates, and probably some Republicans. Harris likely wasn't able to bring in a similar coalition.

I had a similar first thought looking at the data as you did, but I missed that at first glance.

Thoughts on it here, just skip to the Edit portion I added at the bottom:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219675633

[MaryMagdaline]

10. Those people who didn't vote are ALWAYS on my outrage list

[Mr.Bee]

13. 18M fewer votes than 2020? Record Turnout? Both of those things can't be true.

Whose votes? Who didn't vote? Everyone around me was voting Harris!!

[Kaleva]

18. What is your source that there was a record turnout?

[onenote]

35. Votes are still being counted. Estimated to be around 14-15 million nationwide still to be counted

And because everyone around you was voting Harris, everyone in the country must have been voting Harris? How does that work.

[sarisataka]

14. Give me their names

I'll personally scold them...

Or maybe wait for the counting to finish and see if many of them show up.

[Mr.Bee]

17. FoxNews and Trump declared the winner before he even reached 270!

And only half of California has been counted? Really good example to abolish this archaic Electoral College system!
Really feels like another Bush v. Gore.

[sarisataka]

21. Declaring the winner didn't make him the winner

and it doesn't matter if every uncounted California vote goes to Harris, they are still only 54 EV.

A proposed Amendment to eliminate the EC was introduced three years ago. It was assigned to a subcommittee and has seen no action. Maybe reach out to your reps to get that moving.

[onenote]

36. Do you think it was wrong to declare Harris the winner in California? You think she could still lose?

geez, louise....

[grobertj]

15. Despite the supposed enthusiasm, we didn't get our supporters to bote

We didn’t focus on our base. We spent a lot of the time courting disaffected Republicans.

[Kaleva]

20. The base votes every election. No matter what.

That pretty much determines if one is part of the base.

[Zeitghost]

28. The exact opposite is true

We mobilized the base, the swing vote stayed home. The support for Harris was strong within the party and fell flat with independents. We failed to build a coalition as we did in 2020 with Biden.

[onenote]

37. The base was enthusiastic. But there were a lot of voters who weren't excited about their choices.

The message that this was an election between two flawed candidates -- one because he's a sociopath and one because she was part of an unpopular administration --was out there and it undoubtedly had a depressing effect on those voters that are political junkies like the folks that participate on DU.

[4th]

19. At least some of those voted for Trump.

Sad but true.

[TeslaNova]

38. Except Trump got 2 million less votes than in 2020

[Mr.Bee]

22. I am just surprized there aren't more Americans that are outraged over it!

I have long time said, anytime the Electoral College and the Popular vote doesn't match there should be an investigation!

[Zeitghost]

29. They do match

Trump won both.

[Mr. Sparkle]

25. This does not make sense, Trump is a very polarizing figure.

You either love him or hate him, there is no in-between.

[bob4460]

32. Hold on

There was a record turn out.......but voting was DOWN????? WTF

[Mosby]

33. Try 110 million non voters.

That's the real appx. number.

[DetroitLegalBeagle]

34. NYT tracked early voting and absentee ballot requests

With a few exceptions, it was down across the board compared to 2020. In some states, considerably down.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/us/elections/early-vote-tracker-2024.html]

[onenote]

39. And the percentage of Repub early voters nearly matched that of early Democratic voters.

In contrast, the Democrats had a big advantage in early voting in 2020.

[Mr.Bee]

40. So,

all these Republicans came out and voted for Harris, all these celebrities came out and voted for Harris, the Swifties came out and voted for Harris, and yet she got less votes than Biden did in 2020 and we're supposed to call it a record turnout??
We're supposed to believe Harris, a Law and Order Prosecutor candidate couldn't beat a mob boss criminal rapist pedophile felon??
We're just supposed to accept that and believe it??
Record turnout for Trump maybe.

[lindysalsagal]

41. I expected women to come out. I was wrong .

[Mr.Bee]

42. Women's Lib died in the 1980s...