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BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:19 PM Wednesday

Hacking voting machines w massive gpu farms, quantum computers and nsa grade ai tools.

I really doubt that the commercial voting machines use quantum resistant encryption. If tech billionaires can assemble massive GPU farms and even quantum computers, perhaps this concern is not really tin hat. Something about the numbers doesn’t smell right.

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Hacking voting machines w massive gpu farms, quantum computers and nsa grade ai tools. (Original Post) BrightKnight Wednesday OP
It's the buzz on social media - 20 million votes missing bucolic_frolic Wednesday #1
Voter tallies are like cash registers. LeftInTX Wednesday #7
You do understand Zeitghost Wednesday #8
And that 4-5 million "missing votes" are from states like California that allows voting by mail summer_in_TX Wednesday #15
I'm glad they're buzzing about it. Cha Wednesday #10
Some among us have embraced the narrative, but I confess that it doesn't sit well with me. Orrex Thursday #25
The gqp had the money for it, lots of dark money Clouds Passing Wednesday #2
I hate to see us go down the same road. Unless there is credible evidence, we should leave internet rumors alone tulipsandroses Wednesday #3
Machines don't have high threat security. BrightKnight Wednesday #4
They are air gapped Zeitghost Wednesday #9
If the passwords and encryption are not secure is the system still secure? Hacking AES is not unheard of. BrightKnight Wednesday #11
The machines themselves Zeitghost Wednesday #13
That is a reasonable response and it makes me feel a little better. nt BrightKnight Wednesday #17
Its not all on one person. milestogo Wednesday #6
I wish people will stop dismissing these theories Dem4life1234 Wednesday #16
It's a GOP CT LeftInTX Wednesday #20
Our local GOP believes this LeftInTX Wednesday #5
We have a paper trail in Dallas. nt BrightKnight Wednesday #18
Tbey want hand counts. No machines. LeftInTX Wednesday #19
Belt a suspenders is better. Like adding machine with a print tape. BrightKnight Wednesday #23
Perhaps Half The Voting Population Are Simply Pieces Of Garbage nt SoCalDavidS Wednesday #12
A lot of people are going the government that they deserve. nt BrightKnight Wednesday #22
Voting machines aren't connected to the internet Fiendish Thingy Wednesday #14
I'm not sure how physical security works for the machines. BrightKnight Wednesday #21
Voting machines don't have to be. relayerbob Thursday #26
Peter Thiel is Chairman of Palantir relayerbob Thursday #24
18 million voters were purged, per this report from the Brennan Center TheRickles Thursday #27
Maybe we should plan an attack on the capital! iemanja Thursday #28
There are massive magas and fools who won't vote for a woman of color lindysalsagal Thursday #29
Statistical anomalies and altered elections Hannahcares Thursday #30

bucolic_frolic

(46,825 posts)
1. It's the buzz on social media - 20 million votes missing
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:24 PM
Wednesday

Massive early voting, turnout around the blocks for days, yet 27 million fewer votes than 2020. Pollsters even polled early voters!

LeftInTX

(29,949 posts)
7. Voter tallies are like cash registers.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:56 PM
Wednesday

There are double checks. The ins should equal the outs. If not, then there is a problem.

"Massive" needs to be quantified. 1500 voters at a polling site? How many votes were cast? How many under votes? It's not rocket science.



Zeitghost

(4,470 posts)
8. You do understand
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:56 PM
Wednesday

That none of that is true right? There are no missing votes, there were not 27M fewer votes than 2020 (likely closer to 4-5M) there was no massive turnout.

summer_in_TX

(3,189 posts)
15. And that 4-5 million "missing votes" are from states like California that allows voting by mail
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:14 PM
Wednesday

and the ballots only have to be *postmarked* by Election Day. Nevada is another that has many mail-in ballots that can arrive up to 3 days after Election Day.

Orrex

(64,060 posts)
25. Some among us have embraced the narrative, but I confess that it doesn't sit well with me.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:02 AM
Thursday

PA's vote totals are officially about the same as last time, but polling stations locally reported the highest turnout in decades.

I grant that this is anecdotal, but in the aggregate it's conspicuous.

tulipsandroses

(6,202 posts)
3. I hate to see us go down the same road. Unless there is credible evidence, we should leave internet rumors alone
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:29 PM
Wednesday

I trust that if there is evidence of wrong doing, Marc Elias would not stop fighting to get to the truth.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
4. Machines don't have high threat security.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:49 PM
Wednesday

State actors and tech billionaires with top tier gpu farms could reasonably be assumed to be able to crack them. They simply are not to designed to resist that kind of attack. They are probably no more secure than a corporate laptop. It has been rumored that Open ai cracked aes encryption without a quantum computer. This is a valid concern but I am not asserting that it is true.

Zeitghost

(4,470 posts)
9. They are air gapped
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:01 PM
Wednesday

They have no connection to the outside world. This is Trump level lunacy. These kind of claims were the basis of several successful defamation lawsuits won after the 2020 election cycle.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
11. If the passwords and encryption are not secure is the system still secure? Hacking AES is not unheard of.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:13 PM
Wednesday

There are suggestions that open AI has done that without quantum pcs. I assume that large State actors can do it. AES is not designed to be quantum resistant.

Is it possible that there is a failure point after the machines? I am not asserting this is true but expressing a concern and asking questions.

Zeitghost

(4,470 posts)
13. The machines themselves
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 10:28 PM
Wednesday

And the networks they are eventually fed into have no outside connection. You would need to infiltrate every county election office and tamper physically with the system to explain the results we saw.

These are the same claims Trump and Fox and the rest made in 2020. Some of them lost millions in defamation lawsuits. It's simply not realistic or possible.

milestogo

(17,617 posts)
6. Its not all on one person.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 09:54 PM
Wednesday

The NSA should be involved in securing our elections. If there is a possibility of a hack they must look into it.

I work in IT, and the best security person in our group left in March to work for the NSA.

Dem4life1234

(1,472 posts)
16. I wish people will stop dismissing these theories
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:23 PM
Wednesday

People are rightfully concerned with election interferences from these hideous entities.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
23. Belt a suspenders is better. Like adding machine with a print tape.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:47 PM
Wednesday

I can find common ground with voting security. Trump was not concerned with actual election security.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,324 posts)
14. Voting machines aren't connected to the internet
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:06 PM
Wednesday

So, code would have to be modified, undetected, before installation, or each machine would have to have its software modified individually, in person, after the software was installed.

Occam’s razor says: more people voted for Trump than for Harris.

BrightKnight

(3,684 posts)
21. I'm not sure how physical security works for the machines.
Wed Nov 6, 2024, 11:38 PM
Wednesday

Good security is probably many layers. My concern was that password alone would not be enough. I am concerned that generic corporate password security might not match the threat level and that there are other options available. I am not asserting that this actually happened.

relayerbob

(6,999 posts)
26. Voting machines don't have to be.
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:03 AM
Thursday

The central computers that hold the final results are where one would go.

relayerbob

(6,999 posts)
24. Peter Thiel is Chairman of Palantir
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:02 AM
Thursday

A company that specializes in government work, security software and is one of Elon Musk's earliest partners, as well as JD Vance's boss out of college. Thiel and Musk know they can't be the President, but Vance ... their pet ... can be.

There were dozens of emailed "bomb threats" from Russia yesterday. The SoS of my own Georgia was one of the first to report on them. A company that knows the inner workings of government systems, in concert with the KGB/FSB, will know how to either implant malware in those emails (which obviously were opened), or use them as a diversion while the real malware is planted.

I don't subscribe to conspiracy theories, but as some else the math ain't mathing here. It smells to high heaven. I fully believe Trump's "little secret" is this. No way 15 million people stayed home compared to 2020.

lindysalsagal

(22,352 posts)
29. There are massive magas and fools who won't vote for a woman of color
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:29 AM
Thursday

Just go with the obvious. Courting the women's vote doesn't get you elected POTUS.

Hannahcares

(124 posts)
30. Statistical anomalies and altered elections
Thu Nov 7, 2024, 12:46 AM
Thursday

Anyone still around who remembers stunning research by Francois Choquette during republicsn primaries between Romney, Ron Paul etc,
Research paper demonstrated changes in election outcomes detectable by statistical anomalies in larger precincts.
Attached link to studies. Could some data studies be done on Presidential election?
Peace, Hannah

https://codered2014.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/primaryElectionResultsAmazingStatisticalAnomalies_V2.1.pdf

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