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[iluvtennis]

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[TheProle]

1. Thanks for playing and have a great life!

[bif]

2. Jealous! Good for you!

I'm seriously thinking either Canada or England. I know it isn't easy, but I can dream, can't I?

[Jim__]

3. Good idea. I'm on SS or I'd try leaving too.

[Chuuku Davis]

8. SS dollars

Generally go farther in foreign countries

[iluvtennis]

13. You can get SS payments outside US.

People also ask
Can a U.S. citizen collect Social Security while living abroad?
If you earned Social Security benefits, you can visit or live in most foreign countries and still receive payments. Look up the country on the SSA Payments Abroad Screening Tool to be sure you can receive your payments.

[Jim__]

14. I don't trust Trump to continue making foreign payments. He will for a while, but at sometime he may just ...

... decide to cut that off. No one can stop him. Of course he could try cutting off domestic payments, but that would have huge repercussions.

[SoCalDavidS]

31. What Repercussions?

He apparently is a Cult Leader and has half the country wrapped around his finger. What are people going to do about it? Vote Democratic? LOL!!!!

[Jim__]

35. Just about everybody is related to someone on Social Security. People wake up real quick when you take away their money.

You keep control by attacking "outside" groups. You lose control when you attack everybody at once.

[Gore1FL]

16. Social Security concerns me in general.

Why would he keep it at all?

[Sparkly]

17. I think SS goes with you, but not Medicare

I have ongoing cancer treatments, and can't lose Medicare.

[HereForTheParty]

42. Many countries have excellent single payer systems

But I understand if you might not want to change "teams".

[SoCalDavidS]

4. You're Making The Right Decision

Stay well, and may your future be peaceful. Unfortunately Italy currently has a fascist right wing government.

[iluvtennis]

7. Agree, but I'll take her compared to TSF.n/t

[Jersey Devil]

5. I am not going anywhere. I choose to stay and fight

I owe it to my children and grandchildren to continue to fight.

[SoCalDavidS]

10. I Have No Children

And fighting has only gotten me tired and more pain. We Fight, We Lose. We are going back. Do what you feel is right, but it’s over for me.

[Jersey Devil]

11. I have no problem with your decision

You must do what is right for you. Just as you feel you must leave, I believe I must stay. It is who I am.

[Sparkly]

18. I wish I could take my grandchild to a safer country.

I don't think this one will stay safe very long.

[SoCalDavidS]

32. It Ain't Safe Now, And It's About To Get Much Worse nt

[durablend]

6. If I had the means I'd be the hell out of here too

[DiverDave]

22. Me too

If I could I would.
But since I can't, I have to
Figure out how I will live.

[TwilightZone]

9. Lucky for you that you have some options.

I don't mean that in a negative way - it's truly great to have those options available.

I think a lot of people would love to leave, but won't have the resources. Many are the ones who will be most negatively affected by the next Trump admin.

[MadameButterfly]

15. The rest of the world doesn't have room for all of us

Besides, after Putin is done with Ukraine he'll go after Europe.
Doesn't Italy already have a fascist leader? This is a trend. And no one to rescue us as happened in WWII.
Nor were there nuclear weapons back then. If there weren't any now, we'd have taken care of Putin when he attacked Ukraine and Trump wouldn't have him as a mentor. We shouldn't underestimate how involved Putin is with all this.

[Sparkly]

19. Oh yes, tfg is aligned with Putin

Once he lets Putin take Ukraine, Europe will be next and/or turn fascist.

Then if he pulls out of NATO, we'll have no allies. What would prevent us from becoming a wholly-owned subsidiary of Russia, aligned with North Korea and Iran.

[cilla4progress]

27. This is where we are

today.

The oligarchs won. Money won. It always does.

Money trumps everything. There is no justice, karma, god?

[MadameButterfly]

38. Russia won

[Nanjeanne]

12. If we were younger and healthier we'd be gone in a flash. Best to you.

[Vogon_Glory]

20. Good luck! n/t

[Earthrise]

21. That's a terrific privilege

to have family in safe countries and feel confident you can you can live there.

Canada doesn’t want us and Mexico will be pushed into chaos when a few million people feel they have to leave the country for their safety.

[LeftInTX]

43. Mexico's pres wants everyone to eat beans

And instant coffee. It sounds like a Woody Allen movie plot.

[nini]

23. There's no where on the planet where fascism isn't creeping in

I hate to say it but there’s no real safe place anymore.

[onenote]

24. Italy? Really?

Not exactly a "safe' progressive playground:
The most recent general election in 2022, resulted in a centre-right coalition led by Giorgia Meloni's Brothers of Italy, a right-wing political party with neo-fascist roots winning an absolute majority of seats in the Italian Parliament. Meloni was appointed Prime Minister of Italy. And to take just one issue, abortion, while it is legal, it is subject to numerous restrictions and it all but barred after 12 weeks. Moreover, just this past spring, Italy's parliament approved a legislation proposed by Meloni's government giving anti-abortion groups access to abortion facilities where they can try to convince women seeking abortion not to do so. This is legislation that was criticized by doctors because it will allow unqualified anti-abortion groups to have access to women seeking abortion. And Italy has a very loose "conscientious objector" provision allowing practitioner to refuse to perform abortions on "moral" grounds, accounting for over 60% of the nation's ob/gyns.

[Cha]

25. Lucky you, iluvtennis.. I wish the Best in your new Journey!

[iluvtennis]

39. Thanks Cha. It's a plan for the next year. Several

logistics to take care of here in US - e.g., selling home, car, furnishings, etc before I would make a move. Things may pan out not to be feasible, but I am doing the research.

[Cha]

41. I can imagine.. at least you have a

Plan of action. Knowing you’re doing something instead of just waiting for the boom to lower. 🕯️🕊️🍀🌈💙

[cilla4progress]

26. I feel the same.

I can't get my husband onboard, unfortunately.

Looking at least a recreational plot somewhere in Canada to run to from time to time. They won't let us live there for more than 6 mos. / yr.

[wcmagumba]

28. SS retirement, old and no savings, just dig myself a hole, maybe one of them Saddam "spider holes"...

[kimbutgar]

29. I don't know if Europe will survive when the orange monster takes us out of NATO and allows Putin to conquer Europe

I think we are in store for World War 3. And I suspect China, North Korea and Russia are starting to align with the monster against the states that went to VP Harris.

Australia is looking good right now.

RIP Ukraine.

[SoCalDavidS]

33. Bring On WW3

Get it over with.

[bif]

36. Nice comment

[Srkdqltr]

37. Im sorry to have to but people saying, we will just swan off because we can, just makes me ...

Angry? It's so entitled. Like , I have mine and the rest of you can eat 🪱 worms??... whatever.

[NoRethugFriends]

34. well, Italy's not doing too bad in the fascist department either these days

[Rebl2]

40. Italy

not much better