NOW WHAT?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

Where do we go?

What do we do?

How do we recover what has been taken from us?


I no longer know.

[SheltieLover]

1. ...

[CaliforniaPeggy]

4. . . .

[SheltieLover]

9. Ty, Peggy!

[Think. Again.]

2. We won't be able to recover what will be taken from us....

....the further delay in climate action we will now suffer will result in irreparable damage to the global ecology.

There won't be any recovery from that.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. I think you are right. So disheartening. nt

[jfz9580m]

13. Thank you

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An issue that was not even ..I don’t have words. I always try to mainstream-wash my green concerns hoping that ..
Or well..no one cares about them because a lot of the people who might potentially are kept off balance by ..

It is horrible. This is my biggest issue. I think it is the root issue. It is tied to economic inequality and rising extremism and..

[Ocelot II]

3. Resist. I'm not sure how, but we can't let ourselves be overwhelmed or gaslit.

We pay attention. Try to figure out how this happened. Think of having to rebuild from scratch - the house has burned down and there's nothing left but charred ruins and now we have to start over. It will take a long time but we have to resist the takeover. Somehow.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

7. The republicans have been trying to get to this place for decades. Now they've done it.

It looks insurmountable to me. But still we must try.

[gab13by13]

6. We should not make the mistake of underestimating how evil these people are

I think it will take generations to undo what is coming. The sad part is they are ready to implement Project 2025 on day 1.

I feel for our children who may not get educated, but will get indoctrinated. Goodbye critical thinking.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

8. You are correct, I fear. They are evil to the extreme and we cannot stop it. nt

[Silver Gaia]

20. There's very, very little critical thinking out there already.

Try teaching it to freshmen college students! (I do try.) Trust me. They have none. Most have never even heard of it and think it's some old-fashioned idea they don't need because they already can think just fine. My point is that we've already said goodbye to critical thinking as part of educating our children, and that's a large part of why we are where we are.

[Omnipresent]

30. His supporters were clearly reacting to fear.

Fear of inflation (really a world wide problem) not coming down fast enough, fear of migrants flooding in and causing horrible crimes (unsubstantiated).

Aside from those issues, they believed that reproductive rights would not be entirely taken away (because some states have already restored those rights).

[Bumbles]

42. Sadly, teaching critical thinking has been missing for our students for some time.

If more had used critical thinking skills, we'd not be in this monumental disaster.

[malaise]

10. I don't know

I can’t answer today
I am still trying to process this

[CaliforniaPeggy]

11. I don't know, dear malaise. Hence this thread.

[Groundhawg]

12. we move forward

[CaliforniaPeggy]

14. I have no idea how we do that. nt

[Groundhawg]

19. Go to work this morning, Come home, mow the yard, feed the cat, and take the dog for a walk in the park.

We will live to ride again.

[bdamomma]

24. not be to rude

is this what they do in Russia and Hungary? People in Russia are miserable and drink vodka all day to numb the pain.

then again, I think of all the people who advocated for VP Kamala. They are at risk too. I just don't know not a very good day for me today.

[Dave says]

44. I think comparing us to Hungary, Russia

And Turkey is a good exercise. That’s what’s coming for at least a generation, maybe more.

[LeftInTX]

62. Yeah. That's my sanity.

Despite having a Democrstic president, I've worked my butt off for four years trying to keep it going.

[angrychair]

29. We resist.

In any and every way we can. Small or large. We stop feeding the MSM pockets and we need news and information that goes back to its roots. A true underground. A true Democratic Underground.
The paperclip, like you now have, is a great place to start.
We must be willing to fight. We need party leaders in Congress that are willing to fight as hard as us.

While it may seem a little dark, I realize that at least some will end up in unmarked mass graves. That will likely be our reality. At least we should assume that is the case. To do otherwise seems naive.
We can do this but it's going to require commitment that most likely, at least in the beginning, are not willing to resist yet (not talking about violence)

[bdamomma]

47. Like this

site we will be Democrats Underground (literally).

[BlueKota]

59. I am wondering whether the tsf will shut down

all online sites like this one that are pro Democratic? I don't want to lose all of you.

[bdamomma]

63. Geez

me either. Censored websites that's what they do in China and other dictatorial countries. No free speech.

[PortTack]

55. I have literally begged ppl to turn off all cable news especially and including msnbc ...most don't

They are not our friends.

[hawkeye21]

15. Those are the questions. For most, there are few, if any, real options.

People have homes and families and jobs. Few of us can just move somewhere outside the borders, even to Canada or Mexico.

This is the worst day in US history, as FDR said about Pearl Harbor, "a day that will live in infamy."

Historians have long predicted the United States would not fall to an outside power such as Russia or China, but that it would be crushed from within. It is our misfortune to see that process beginning to unfold.

2016 was stunning. That the majority of US voters have returned the scum of the earth to the White House is inconceivable. And yet here we are . . .

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. Exactly. This is our Pearl Harbor . . . only it came from within. nt

[bdamomma]

25. and our adversaries

are celebrating. This just gets me sick.

[Passages]

17. Now we're good to each other and take the time we need to form a path out of this

hideous mess.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

18. Noble thoughts. And worthy of us as well. nt

[Conjuay]

21. "Vote this last time, after that you'll won't have to worry about voting anymore."

So we know it wasn't on the 'up and up'; sounds like it was preordained.

Any word from the WH?

[bdamomma]

23. I was wondering that same thing

if the WH had any response. But I think this will be up to the Harris campaign to do a deep dive. VP Harris is still there in her capacity as VP, she is a prosecutor. But she must not concede.

[yorkster]

39. Joe is going to speak after Kamala.

Don't know the time, but heard someone on MSNBC say this awhile ago. Sorry no mention of when.

😔


Weeping for them both and for all of us.

[bdamomma]

48. She should not

concede, but ask for recounts. No

[no_hypocrisy]

26. I want Kamala Harris to contest every state vote count, especially Georgia.

You know Trump would do that.

[bigtree]

27. uncharted, my dear

...time to dust off those books about fascism in other countries which have overcome it.

In the meanwhile, try to care for yourself. We'll take up the fight when we're able.

[Wednesdays]

37. The big fascist regimes toppled because of foreign military intervention.

Such as Germany and Italy. That won't happen here.

Spain, they had to wait 40 years until Franco died. Any others?

[bdamomma]

50. As Randi Rhodes said

We will not like it at all. And once democracy is gone it takes along time to get back.

[keep_left]

58. Many years ago, Rhodes also read Lincoln's famous quote about freedom and tyranny.

IIRC, this was not long after 9/11. How times have changed.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2019/jul/26/viral-image/abraham-lincoln-quote-fake-its-close-something-he-/

On Jan. 27, 1838, Lincoln spoke before the Young Men’s Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois, about "the perpetuation of our political institutions." During that address, he said: "At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

Michael Burlingame, a chair in Lincoln studies at the University of Illinois Springfield, told us Lincoln "was denouncing mob violence which would lead to chaos, provoking the public to demand law and order, which would be provided by an ambitious leader who would rule tyrannically."

[Algernon Moncrieff]

28. My thought for years was that the Republicans basically wanted one party rule

Like the PRI in Mexico. With elections,but with truly minor differences between candidates.

[Ferrets are Cool]

31. First thing I told my wife was to keep busy and try not to think about it.

I know that is hard, but it is certainly one way of coping till the shock wears off.

[lark]

32. We leave if we can, otherwise we hunker down and try our best to keep safe.

It's hard when you feel like your very life is in danger, and that's how I feel right now. We are retired, we will be really hurt by tcf's 20% tax on everything from his stupid fucking tarriffs. Hubs now cant retire until August because ACA will be gutted, if tcf doesn't raise the age before then, and you know he's going to entirely gut SS and Medicare and all healthcare and education and leave NATO and make us Russian vassals. That's what he's being paid to do.

[RainCaster]

33. There goes my retirement

I was planning on returning in January and traveling about for fun. After doing so much travel for work, I was looking forward to traveling with my wife and taking our time to enjoy the beauty of our world. Well shit. Now I have to pivot and try to protect our lifetime investments from the amateur economists that will be in the White House.

So instead of enjoying spring baseball, I will be preparing our house for sale so we can get it sold before the economy truly crashes. Then we figure out what democracy we want to move to. Or maybe we stay here, and buy a smaller house after the crash.

[NoMoreRepugs]

34. Extremely difficult to resist when the rules of the game will be changed to make it

as difficult as humanly possible to overcome. I’m no quitter but I am realistic. This is generational.

[AKwannabe]

35. I'm empty

Here’s a hug for you and me and all the shattered hearts and lives.





It’s all I got.
Be well CAPeggy

[cjoki4]

36. We Breathe - take a break

And then we get the band back together and start working on the mid-terms, 2026. We continue to fight as best we can.

Mother Nature is the true King on this planet and she will have the last words with Climate Change. Things are only going to go from bad to worse. When those ice caps really go, most of Florida will be under water and what's left with be destroyed by hurricanes.

Time for these Trump MAGATS voters to reap what they sowed.

[bdamomma]

64. welcome to DU

Mother Nature will show her true wrath on all of us. The felon and his minions do not believe in it. Dark times coming. Not happy to say that either.

[KatK]

38. my plans so far

Today I just posted on my Community Chat group:

"Empathy
If anyone is interested in listening and speaking from the heart about whatever is alive for them right now - including feeling unsettled - I will offer a Zoom meetup at 7pm this evening.
I am certified as a facilitator by the Institute of Cultural Affairs.
Message me for the Zoom link. I could also do this at other times, so let me know if that sounds good.
I am also happy to talk with people one on one, by Zoom or phone.
Together we rise!"

And I am thinking of revisiting my efforts to get our neighborhood to launch or join an existing Mutual Aid group. Also I want to find out if the Monday Safety Walking group is mostly about deterring crime and protecting property, or standing up for the oppressed. It helps me to remember, simultaneously, that "I cannot change the world" AND "I can have some influence"

Also, I am going to be focused on my own psycho-spiritual well-being. I guess a few simple local actions is part of that, but I've already started doubling down on self-love (which really really helps me) and I'm pondering what else would support me. Meditation, fun, outdoors, community, etc.

[Auggie]

40. For the moment, embrace our great state California

[MontanaMama]

41. Focusing on my little family

and close group of friends. I plan to disconnect from those in my periphery who are not safe.

[TBF]

43. I think I'm still in shock -

but not really surprised because I know how women are hated in this country, and Trump et al used that as a wedge and dug in. Even Barack Obama managed to get elected twice. But women can't find a way - and it's other women holding us down as much as the men.

I remember the 1970s & how our moms & aunts worked to get freedoms for us. I'm in my late 50's and already tired. At this point I just want to protect my kids. Primarily my daughter - she is out of the country right now and does have a student VISA she can still use for nearly a year. I hope she finds a way to not come back. It's pretty sad but that's where I'm at.

[joshcryer]

45. Same thing.

We keep believing.

[beaglelover]

46. Just curious....what's with the blue paperclip avatar? I've seen it on a few people's profiles this morning. Thanks.

[frogmarch]

51. I saw this online:

During World War II, Norwegians wore paperclips on their clothes to demonstrate their opposition to Nazism and to anti-Semitism.

[beaglelover]

53. Thank you!

[KS Toronado]

49. Hope Biden & company had plans in place in case this happened

I'd quietly arrest every elected official who was involved in the Jan 6th coup and call for a new election.
Maybe even shut down social media were all the lies and misinformation is coming from.
Hell go after all RW media, they are never honest about anything.

[SheltieLover]

52. Absofuckingloutely!

[KS Toronado]

57. We need something drastic not only to save this Country

but the World from Putin & Fascism. Bush had his war on terror, we need A WAR ON FASCISM.
I'd invite TSF to address both Houses of Congress with no reporters allowed inside and quietly
arrest everyone involved in Jan 6th and call for Martial law.

[SheltieLover]

61. Great idea!

[HAB911]

54. Right now, the only tool in my toolbox

is economic boycott, to stop spending except on essentials for life, no discretionary spending as long as I can

[SoCalDavidS]

56. Exactly What I Plan To Do

It will be difficult and painful, but I plan to go cold turkey on spending.

[durablend]

60. Same here

Yeeted a few more Amazon accounts as well as my 25+ year ebay account earlier and doing the unsubscribe thing for any retail coming into my e-mailbox

[TBF]

69. Same. I want to stockpile it and get out.

And buying only encourages them.

[EarlG]

65. I've been asking myself that all morning

Honestly this doesn't feel as bad as 2016, but it feels worse in other ways.

2016 was like a slap across the face because I truly believed that America would never elect a scumbag like Donald Trump, and then they did.

This time around, I still can't believe that America would elect a scumbag like Trump -- who was convicted of 34 felonies, found liable for rape, and tried to violently overthrow the government since the last time he ran for office -- except, deep down, I can believe it. It already happened once. This time around I find myself disappointed, but not surprised.

The reason it feels worse than 2016 is because we're now on the verge of the unknown. It feels like America just took the deck and threw all the cards up in the air. There are no checks on Donald Trump now. We have absolutely no idea what's going to happen next. But we do know that whatever it is, it will be laced with both vindictiveness, and incompetence.

If we still had a democracy, the remedy would be straightforward -- just wait for Trump to screw everything up, then vote him out. After all, if Americans will "thrown the bums out" when the economy is strong, unemployment is at record lows, gas prices are down, and crime is down, then wait till they get a load of what Trump and his cronies are going to do next.

Unfortunately, Americans may not get the chance to throw the bums out again for a very long time.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

68. Thank you, my dear EarlG.

I’m honored to see you in my thread today.

[LeftInTX]

66. I know most of you are older than me.

I'm 68.
I have worked my butt off. I can barely move. Did tons of canvassing, but I'm old. I protested alot on 2017, but protesting is physically difficult. I busted my butt off. I've gotta get back in physical therapy and take care of my body.

I so wanted Trump, just to be gone. It seems like he has been president for 8 years already. It seems like he was still president while Joe wss president. So we will have him for 12 years. Ugh.. it seems like there is no end to him..ugh

[MiKenMi33]

67. For the next few days, we do nothing.

We give ourselves time to process this and grieve. After a while, once our minds stop spinning, our heads will be clear. We’ll band together, we’ll unite, and we will figure a way forward. It won’t be today, or even tomorrow, but we will figure a way out of this.

[summer_in_TX]

70. My younger friend who depends on a mere $943 in SSI income was up all night panicking.

She's in HUD housing (away from abusive parents) thanks to that income and subsidized housing. But Project 2025 targets taking that away.