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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHave Abortion Rights Ever Been Compared To Gun Rights?
Seems to me that one can make a comparison between the two.
Abortion - Pro-Life or Pro-Choice; taking away the right for a person to make decisions over their own body
Guns - Pro-Life (those that want to put some controls on gun ownership and the deadliness of some of the guns and ammo (Re: automatic weapons; clips with a great amount of ammo; etc) And Pro-Choice - those that say it is their right to gun ownership and types of guns (Re: you can't take my guns away from me; I have a right to protect myself and my family; etc)
I don't know - but to me - the base issues surrounding these two issues seem comparable.
I won't take away your right to own guns and your right to protect yourself/family.
You should not be able to take away my right to make decisions over my own body.
Am I stretching things here and looking for a way to attack these issues that's not really there or might I be on to something?
I guess I'd like to hear others here on DU weigh in on this. If I'm way off base on this - please tell me. Or if you could help me flesh out such an approach to these issues - how might we improve on making these points?
Stargazer99
(2,926 posts)valleyrogue
(1,024 posts)mahatmakanejeeves
(60,683 posts)TBF
(34,126 posts)but I personally think Heller should be overturned. That it is not what the founders intended. But it is the law of the land currently.
grumpyduck
(6,645 posts)One is based on women's rights to their own bodies, especially when it comes to health or abuse issues.
The other is based on a willfully ignorant misinterpretation of the second amendment and on the NRA becoming little more rhan a lobbyist for the gun industry in order to make money.
global1
(25,889 posts)and just look at my base explanation between Pro-Life/Pro-Choice in my OP.
I'm not considering (the right to bear arms) in the Constitution and I'm not considering that of the abortion issue rights prior to the SCOTUS decision on Roe v Wade. Both of these issues (prior to the SCOTUS decision) were rights that people have/had.
Roe v Wade was taken away. Isn't that kind of the same if aspects of the 2nd Amendment were taken away?
Wouldn't the gun rights advocates - make the same argument - that their rights were taken away to make the choice of owning guns (i.e., type and usage)?
Clouds Passing
(2,072 posts)Both according to the Supreme Court 6.
keithbvadu2
(39,916 posts)To the gun industry, dead children are merely collateral damage/acceptable losses for gun industry profits and political donations.
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Thoughts and Prayers and Gun Violence in America.
'Pro-life' does not apply to schoolchildren murdered with guns.
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If thoughts and prayers are good enough for dead schoolchildren,
why aren't they good enough for abortion?
LexVegas
(6,537 posts)TBF
(34,126 posts)Roe of course was overturned. Which is why I will be voting for Harris this fall.
I'm not terribly interested in capitalism, but I am very interested in what people (especially men) are doing to have full access to weapons, while women can't even fully control their own bodies.
haele
(13,409 posts)Is that for them, they consider abortion a crime.
I don't want to disillusion you, but always bear this in mind - 50% of these people on the anti-abortion picket lines are addicted to their cause.
They they consider it both sacrilege and murder, because their God (the Nationalist Prosperity Gospel one they chose per their First Amendment right) put an embryo in a woman to turn into a baby. People are supposed to submit to their God; everything that happens is part of His plan.
Their right to a protected Religious practice is protected under the First Amendment. Their religion considers Abortion a sacrilege that must be abolished.
Their right to Guns to "protect themselves" is protected by the Second Amendment.
The Nationalist argument is that Abortion or any sort of bodily autonomy is not in the Constitution; those concerns are only codified by local law under the Tenth Amendment, like the difference between Murder and Manslaughter.
And they totally ignore the Ninth Amendment unless they can use it to benefit their positions.
You can argue with those people all you want, but they hide behind their interpretative twisting of the Constitution and the Bible for their personal agendas.
The true believers, the Religious cultists, Gun Fetishists and Forced Birthers never talk or act in good faith. They won't listen to your arguments or attempt to twist what you say to their position. The "nice" ones who "don't want to cause trouble" pretend to consider your arguments to shut you up, but then go on with their cult beliefs and activities, because their cult makes them feel important and powerful, which is more important than the wellbeing or lives of any of "those other people".
You can try, but I've yet to find any argument that will sway the True believers. The only ones you can reach are the middle of the roaders, and even then, you need to approach them in such a way they can emotionally connect to your arguments. Attacks don't work well, they were already sucked in to anti-abortion positions by appeals to their sense of emotional justice
Protect those babies! Abortion is being used as birth control by selfish young women who don't take responsibility for their actions! They can always put those babies up for adoption instead of killing them! Heartbeat at 8 weeks, 6 weeks, 28 day...!
It's exhausting.
And they're so willfully ignorant due to their need to justify some of the horrendous things they're willing to put others through to satisfy their cult addiction, it's hard not to approach them as an enemy. Which will not help your arguments to get them to think at all
Don't want to be a downer, but I'm providing you with most the arguments they're going to throw back at you to satisfy their need to prove you wrong. How you approach them to turn their mind is different depending on the anti-abortionist and how deep they are in their cult.
Haele