I think the abortion question (debate?)

[grumpyduck]

should be reframed.

Instead of focusing on abortion, which we know many magats are against and rant against, maybe the whole thing should be reframed as "should the government have any say in what people do with their own bodies" or something similar.

That way the issue applies to both men and women and might get some male idiots to ask whether they want that to happen to them.

IOW, don't talk about abortion, talk about people's rights to their own bodies.

Jusr a thought.

[sinkingfeeling]

1. "My body, my choice" has been around for decades.

[snowybirdie]

5. The Anti Vaxers

Used that same phrase when rejecting Covid Vaccine. So maybe that will work!

[grumpyduck]

7. Yes it has,

but it's mostly perceived as applying to abortion, i.e., women. Men haven't had to defend their rights to their bodies.

Maybe it's time to go there.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. And what would men be defending? Their right to not impregnate/impregnate?

[grumpyduck]

11. Their right to doing

what they want with their bodies, especially with health or abuse issues, without the government sticking their nose in it.

That's my whole point: steer around the sex, abortion, murder, and religuous angles and make it more generic.

[sinkingfeeling]

12. And my point is no one is attempting to pass laws that are stopping men from doing what they want

with their bodies.

[gab13by13]

2. That's how it is framed

[WhiskeyGrinder]

3. Why?

[WhiskeyGrinder]

4. Roe allowed the government to have quite a bit of a say in what pregnant people do with their bodies, FWIW.

[grumpyduck]

6. Right, and it was overturned.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

10. not for that reason tho lol

[poli-junkie]

8. Harris has been using this approach all this time.