Did the Secret Service actually fail, or is getting out ahead of Trump and finding the would-be shooter...

[RidinWithHarris]

...well before Trump gets to the targeted area the best we can reasonably expect in a big, wide-open place like a golf course?

[bamagal62]

1. I don't care.

Do you?

[RidinWithHarris]

2. Yes, I care if the Secret Service is competent or not

Shouldn't anyone?

This goes beyond whether you care about Trump specifically or not, because the quality and effectiveness of the Secret Service shouldn't have anything to do with who is being protected.

[bamagal62]

8. I should have

Used the sarcasm thingy. Sorry.

[BlueKota]

3. I think it's the best that can be expected

especially since he doesn't follow their advice. He wasn't shot at because the Secret Service did their job.

[Think. Again.]

5. trump wasn't within range or line-of-sight of the shooter.

[Silent Type]

6. As another poster noted, only because trump had not gotten to the 6th hole. It's called "lying in wait" and is

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usually a crime.

Seems SS drones might be a good choice in these situations.

[BlueKota]

10. I agree that he was going to try and shoot tfg.

Otherwise what purpose would he have for being there with an AK 47? The SS agents stopped him, and everyone made it out alive. So that's a good thing.

I want Trump to lose, and go to prison, but I believe there are only 2 justifications for lethal violence. One is to defend one's self or others from imminent harm by an attacker. Defending one's own country and it's allies from invasion is the other. So I don't think anyone should shoot him. All that would do is create more violence and make him an even bigger martyr to his cult.

If he were to die of natural causes, like a heart attack or a stroke, however, I won't pretend to feel sorry about it. I am only sad when it's a friend, family member, or someone I respected, or those who have their life taken away from them by violence or tragedy. Tfg fits none of those categories for me.

[Think. Again.]

4. I don't care about the attempt either way...

...but I certainly don't see any failure on behalf of the secret service, other than firing without warning on someone who was not firing first and was not in any way a threat to that trump thing or anyone else in the area.

[former9thward]

7. I think the SS did a reasonably good job in this case.

He was stopped before the protectee was in sight and there were no shots by the suspect, He was arrested quickly (thanks to a witness taking a photo).

[dickthegrouch]

11. A half hour and 30 miles away is fast?

I think their strategy stinks.
There should be no possible exit for any attacker. Drones and local PD cars would seem to be no-brainers for a minimum protection plan and perimeter.
How dumbed down are they still?
I know I watch far too much television, but most of the disasters possible have been previewed either in the movies or tv. Someone should have created countermeasures for all of them.

[former9thward]

12. Yes, 30 miles and 1/2 hour is very fast.

No place in the outdoors can be perfectly protected. If your theory was in place a president could never leave the White House.

[Bev54]

9. I think the fact that he supposedly was there for 12 hours on the outside perimeter fence

and nobody did a walk about, could be considered a failure???

[former9thward]

13. Why would they do a walk around?

The golf game was not on the schedule.

[Bev54]

17. Because that is their job, to survey the area for any possible threats.

It does not matter whether it is scheduled or not, they are to assess threats.

[former9thward]

18. It can't work that way.

If President Biden suddenly decides he wants to go to an ice cream shop in D.C. that doesn't mean the SS should have been constantly surveying all of D.C. in the chance the president wants to go someplace. It is not possible.

[Bev54]

19. It sure does mean they do a check all around the shop and it is rarely done without an advance team going in.

Being histrionic about doing a survey of all DC does not advance your argument. If they used drones or something easy like that around the perimeter they would have spotted this guy sitting there for 12 hours. When someone has already had an attempt on their life and another credible threat thwarted, it would be especially prudent for them to do a complete assessment. This is a problem, not just for Trump but others such as Harris and Walz, if they are not being cautious. If Trump insists on going somewhere without allowing them to do a thorough search then it is on him and they should say so.

If I was in that position, I know I would want my security to always have my well being as first and foremost.

[sinkingfeeling]

14. If the SS had failed, he'd at least have been shot at.

[Kid Berwyn]

15. Excellent Point

Secret Service did their job. The Moron makes it a big deal. What’s sad is seeing ABCNNBCBSFIXEDNOISENUTWORKS echo his low sentiment.

[spanone]

16. I think they did all that can be expected given the circumstance.

An 18-hole golf course can take up to 100 acres worth of land. Try to secure that for one guy.