NBC News: Suspect did not have a line of sight on Trump

[iemanja]

So he never really got close to shooting him. The Secret Service did their job by stopping him in advance.

[Emile]

1. Shit, he was approximately 1/2 mile away.

[yagotme]

4. Did they change the distance? Last I heard was 1/4, plus or minus. nt

[riversedge]

6. 500 yards is 0.284091 miles per google. I do not know

how far the gun could shoot.

[sarisataka]

22. The AK platform in 7.62mm

Has an effective range of 300m. (IME that is an optimistic number)
If it was an SKS with add-ons so it appears to be an AK at first glance it would be accurate to 400m.

[Autumn]

2. Then it wasn't an assassination attempt.

[yagotme]

7. The guy was there. The gun was there.

He had some type of defensive protection up. A camera was up, to catch the "glory". He had the barrel poking out through the fence. If that isn't an "attempt", I don't know what is. Suppose the SS missed him? Then TSF would have strolled right into his sights, and we may have had a completely different conversation the last 2 days.

[TwilightZone]

9. It's amazing how people try to downplay this.

If some idiot with a gun got within 400 yards of President Biden, we'd be raising holy hell.

[yagotme]

10. Exactly. nt

[Emile]

17. We would probably never hear about it.

[Buckeyeblue]

20. I think you're right

[MustLoveBeagles]

27. Yep

[Autumn]

21. The suspect didn't have a line of sight. He never fired a shot. They got

him before he did anything. If anything the SS stopped a plot to assassinate him. They should be commended.

[stopdiggin]

18. most certainly WAS

take a look at the map. take a look at the set-up. (400-500 yards to 5th hole - right on top of the 6th. concealment and a 8-10 hour wait. a rifle poking through fence into the grounds.) take a look at the weapons and equipment left behind.

not exactly sure what more we would need .. ? but, I am fully prepared to say this guy was NOT out for a little morning stroll !

[Autumn]

24. I am fully prepared to say this was an assassination plot but that is all it was.

[stopdiggin]

25. Ah! I see! Because the SS discovered him and took action

before he actually triggered a round.
Got it!

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[LeftInTX]

29. I tried to find the federal definition of attempted murder, but not couldn't find it.

CFR just defines attempted murder as "attempt". It's vague.

But this is from NOLO:

Attempted Murder

What Is Attempted Murder?
Attempted murder is the failed or aborted attempt to murder another person. Just like other crimes, attempted murder consists of both an action and an intention. In attempted murder, a person must take a direct step towards the killing and must have the specific intent to kill that person.

Stalking, tracking, or ambushing. This includes hiding out in waiting, tracking the victim down, or following the victim, hoping for an opportunity to commit the murder.
Luring. Includes trying to convince the victim to come to a specific place or take specific actions that will make it possible for the victim to be murdered.
Breaking-in. For example, unlawfully sneaking into a home, property, or other place where the victim is or thought to be.
Constructing. This might include collecting all the materials necessary for the murder, such as the parts of a bomb, and starting to put them together.
Soliciting. For instance, paying or convincing someone else to commit the murder, or even convincing an unknowing person to carry out a key part of the crime, such as unknowingly planting a bomb.


You must also show intention. (I believe the intention is there) He had a firearm ready.
Routh was tracking and waiting in ambush.

https://www.criminaldefenselawyer.com/resources/criminal-defense/crime-penalties/charged-attempted-murder.htm

I know solicitation is a serious crime even if it is not carried out. (That' how they get all the mafia guys)
So if solicitation is a form of attempted murder, then I guess waiting in the bushes for a target with scoped rifle might also be "attempted". I really don't know. But this guy didn't cause any harm.

Pakistani man pleads not guilty to US assassination plot charges
NEW YORK, Sept 16 (Reuters) - A Pakistani man with alleged ties to Iran pleaded not guilty on Monday to charges stemming from an alleged plot to assassinate an American politician in retaliation for the killing of Iran's Revolutionary Guards top commander Qassem Soleimani.
Asif Merchant, 46, entered his plea to one count of attempting to commit terrorism across national boundaries and one count of murder for hire at a hearing before U.S. Magistrate Judge Robert Levy in Brooklyn.
The judge ordered that Merchant be detained pending trial.
Federal prosecutors say Merchant spent time in Iran before traveling to the United States to recruit people for the plot.

The defendant named Donald Trump as a potential target but had not conceived the scheme as a plan to assassinate the former president, according to a person familiar with the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity.

Court papers do not name the alleged targets, and no attacks were made. As president, Trump had in 2020 approved the drone strike on Soleimani.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/pakistani-man-appear-us-court-assassination-plot-charges-2024-09-16/

[Jack Valentino]

31. Agreed, he didn't get the chance to make an 'attempt', if that was his plan,

since he fled when the Secret Service opened fire on him.

[riversedge]

3. "the protective methodology of the secret service were effective yesterday"

Acting Secret Service director Ron Rowe says the suspect did NOT have a line of sight to Donald Trump and did NOT fire at the Secret Service agent

Link to tweet

[BeyondGeography]

15. The "reporting" on this has been a crime in and of itself

Yesterday there were multiple scenarios masquerading as fact, none of them corresponding to “no sightline on Trump, no shots fired”. Two guys firing at each other, assassin camped out at the next hole, SS and shooter exchanging fire, etc.

It’s almost as if they want to stir shit up or something.

[senseandsensibility]

5. I have to admit that I'm confused about why people are ragging on the SS

for this one. The first one, maybe they deserved it, but this? Didn't they stop the guy?

[BlueKota]

23. I agree on the first one they did mess up

but this one they caught the guy before he could carry out his plan.

[WarGamer]

8. He didn't have a line of sight because Trump wasn't on the 6th green, yet... 10 minutes later, he may have.

[Silent Type]

12. Exactly, thanks. He was definitely "lying in wait," which is often a crime.

“In criminal law, lying in wait refers to the act of hiding and waiting for an individual with the intent to kill or inflict serious bodily harm to that person.”

[ForgedCrank]

11. This is

partly correct. He was well positioned considering the landscape obstacles.
Just watched this as it popped up in my feed and it appears mostly accurate based on what we know.

[iemanja]

13. The Secret Service reported at their press conference that he had no line of sight

That's all I know. Not familiar with the map.

[ForgedCrank]

14. I believe

that is true. What I mean to convey and failed to even mention for some reason is that where he was located was a prime spot, but the golf party wasn't quite there yet. He was waiting for them to come around toward him on the 6th hole. The SS smoked the asshole out doing sweeps ahead of the group before he could get a clear shot. Had they not done that, this could have ended a lot differently.

[iemanja]

16. I see

I believe that comports with what they said.

[stopdiggin]

19. did not have a clear line of sight 'YET'

but was sitting right on top of the next hole coming into play.

[Skittles]

26. so he is just another standard gun humping nutcase

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[dflprincess]

28. The shooter's real target

[madamesilverspurs]

30. And yet, I can't help remembering

all the times when conspicuously armed individuals showed up at Obama events over the years. It was damned frightening.


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