How can we be sure the orange anus isn't orchestrating these 'assassination' attempts.

[Augiedog]

He gets an enormous amount of attention and cash each time a supposed assassin wonders into his orbit.

The most recent setup seems so obvious as to be insulting. How does the Secret Service not find a ‘snipers nest’ a few hundred yards away from the path of the supposed target. The secret service manages to fire a few shots at him, missing every time of course, and the guy still gets in his car and drives off into the sunset/sunrise only to be safely captured by the daring do of the local authorities. The guy is white, or seems so, so he isn’t shot while doing whatever it is that white guys do that keeps the cops from shooting them out of hand.

In a week or two we will probably have another ‘attempt’ by some equally unqualified nut. After which the self described genius will make silly demands and a pile of cash while wringing his tiny hands over what some minority group is supposedly eating for lunch.

This all seems more like a Hollywood misdirection feature film than anything else. Anybody remember the “STING”?

[yagotme]

1. TSF must have balls the size of Rhode Island,

if he's willing to let some doofus shoot at him with an AR, at 100+ yards, with a red dot scope, to just get a "nick in the ear". I don't know ANYONE that would do that. Normal group size at that range would soon deliver a kill shot, without too many rounds being fired. If anything, he's one lucky SOB from the PA incident. It wasn't by any "planning" on his part.

[DoBW]

7. if the medical record says ...

glass removed from ear ... then maybe the Butler guy hit his target. maybe the nick was unintended, but the photo op still was gold. Oh well I guess we'll never know ... but it all stinks of Trump, both times
sidebar; this is interesting:
https://www.ranker.com/list/bizarre-assassination-attempts/philgibbons

[yagotme]

16. Sheesh. The teleprompters were INTACT.

NO glass from them. I wish this theory would just die. Even IF a teleprompter was hit, would it make any difference??? REALLY make any difference????

[misanthrope]

18. I completely agree with you

As an aside, did anyone ever find out the origin of the debris that struck four LEOs near Trump?

[yagotme]

23. Any reports have suffered from a lack of reporting, if I may coin a phrase...

If an overlay could be provided, shooter, victims, etc., one might come up with something, barring an official med report. I haven't even heard of the severity of their injuries, btw. Slight impacts? Bullet material from striking something nearby. Thing is with TSF, the only thing really between him and the shooter was the teleprompter, which was undamaged. The LEO's could have been hit by something close to TSF that got hit, but wouldn't have hit him. The man that was killed was behind TSF, in line with the shooter, which makes sense.

[misanthrope]

27. Right

I'm not discounting Trump being grazed by either a round or debris, but we know it wasn't a teleprompter. And debris can sometimes fly in various directions at once depending on the material struck and angle of impact. I heard that the majority of rounds he fired struck something other than people, but have yet to see a diagram explaining it all.

[yagotme]

32. At that angle, debris from something else,

would have resulted in scalp/head injury, as well. The ear wound HAD to have been in direct line with the shooter, from the viewpoints I've seen. Usually, impact material radiates mostly out, or forwards, not backwards.

[littlemissmartypants]

45. I read a report that debris from ...

I think it was an excavator....some kind of large piece of equipment that was holding one of the American flags was damaged and responsible for some flying debris. I didn't make a note of it because I couldn't care less about the whole shebang.

[Bev54]

64. No but there were fragments from other items that were hit, many of the people injured around him

was from fragments, exactly like he had.

[yagotme]

84. Fragmentation from a bullet strike normally spreads outward, or forward.

Anything around him that would throw fragmentation, would be behind him.

[jmowreader]

137. It has always been my opinion...

...that the "nick on the ear" came from him hitting his head on something when the Secret Service tackled him.

[GB_RN]

39. That Would Be Something...

As a cardiac critical care/cath lab nurse, I’ve seen some swollen testicles. And lemme tell ya, the pain those guys were in, I would only wish on Cantaloupe Caligula the Corpulent…and Moscow Mitch…and…😂

Seriously, though, kidney stones are probably the only pain a guy can get that’s more painful than swollen testicles/scrotum. I’ve had kidney stones, and god, that was bad. Before I knew what it was, I had (referred) pain in the right side one. Let me put it this way: walnut in a hydraulic press. Not kidding.🤢🤮😖 rinse and repeat.

I know women who’ve had kids and kidney stones. They say they’d rather give birth without an epidural than have stones again.

[yagotme]

41. Pain, but not "pain" high discomfort,

was when my prostrate decided to shut off the bladder. Went to ER, (told wife to get me there NOW), laying on a hospital bed, waiting for a catheter. I knew EXACTLY what was wrong, but they seemed to not be in a big hurry. When finally getting cathed, the nurse got it partway in, and says "Yeah, there's a blockage." "No duh." They drained out 1000 cc's, then gave me a rest, said didn't want to do too much, then got another 30-40 out. I don't know what kept me from blowing up. Luck, I guess. And elasticity.

[GB_RN]

47. I've Had To Do That On A Patient With BPH*...

He about came off the bed just from the Foley Catheter insertion. When it hit the prostate area…poor guy. I drained off over a liter from him, too. And while the bladder is built to stretch, that much fluid can ruin it. Stretch it out too much/too long and it loses its elasticity, which is a whole other problem.

*BPH, for those not familiar, is Benign Prostate Hypertrophy (pronounced hi-PER-trophy). In plain English, an enlarged, prostate, not caused by any malignancy (cancer).

[yagotme]

78. I had the roto-rooter work done,

just about good as new, after some months of recovery/muscle re-learning.

[kwijybo]

51. Not really

If I were going to do set up the gag, the hard part would be finding a shooter. High probability of the shooter dying, if the cops aren't in on it. No real danger to the "target".

The setup goes like this: gunman will shoot away from the "target" (a yard away) with a blank or not, and at that gunshot the "target" drops and breaks a blood capsule on his ear. Alternatively, drop and do a "Dick the Bruiser" and nick your ear with a razor, dropping the razor afterward. The next shots are with live rounds, above and to the sides of the "target". The gunman then runs.


(Dick the Bruiser was a wrestler in Detroit in the 1960's. Well known for being a tough SOB, getting into bar fights in Detroit (and clearing the bar, no matter which one. He was a tough SOB)), and getting hurt while wrestling. The gag would be he gets hit against the corner pole, and gets a head cut that bled profusely. Reality is the cut was self inflicted with a small razor that was dropped afterward.)

[DoBW]

57. did he sell sneakers too?

DTB limited editions?

[yagotme]

79. Except, for the "gag" in PA, a bullet was photographed

that had passed less than a foot from his head. Again, I'M not going to sit downrange and have a doofus shoot in my direction. (BTW, someone was actually KILLED with your "gag" scenario.)

[kwijybo]

107. Huh. I hadn't heard they had an image of the bullet in flight

Wouldn't mind seeing it.

And, yes, I know people were killed. You can't assume that killing people would stop some folks from using a scenario like that. Letting a real bullet be shot near them, and endangering them, sure. Killing other people, no way.

Remember: It was an hour or more after Ashley Babbit (or whatever her name was) was shot before Trump gave up on the riot and sent them home. He didn't do it because, "OMG, people are dying". He did it because he knew he lost.

[yagotme]

127. Here you go:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/video/doug-mills-trump-rally-photo-src-digvid
Line is vapor trail/disrupted air from a high speed bullet passing through. Also called a "trace". Looking through a spotting scope, from behind a shooter, this can often be seen.

Remember: It was an hour or more after Ashley Babbit (or whatever her name was) was shot before Trump gave up on the riot and sent them home

Was TSF actually at the Capitol, giving orders? I didn't know that. I thought he gave his speech, and then left. At 4:17 he made a video, telling them to go home, but I'm not sure how the rioters would have gotten that, at least not right away.

[kwijybo]

135. TSF was at the White House

Watching the riot on Fox News. She was killed (about 2:30) while Trump was tweeting a "Don't be violent" CYA. It was 4:17 before he tweeted to tell them to go home.

[Iwasthere]

126. This is closest to what happened

[Trueblue Texan]

59. Is that what really happened? More and more, I have my doubts...nt

[yagotme]

80. A man was killed that was behind him, in line with the shooter.

A bullet was caught in flight, by a professional, well-known photographer, passing very near his head. Individuals in the immediate area were hit with fragments of some sort, no report, so we don't know exactly WHAT they were, bullet, or material, but the teleprompter, that was in line with the shooter. was NOT broken. (Neither were, BTW.) Do you have a likely alternative theory?

[Trueblue Texan]

85. Yes.

The shooter who was known for a bad aim, and likely a bruised ego was approached with a proposal to help TFG win. He was told he would be protected…and he was up to a point, that’s how he supposedly wasn’t spotted by SS before the shooting. He fired something, maybe not real bullets, and another shooter, a more accurate one, shot the spectator behind TFG, to give it authenticity. TFG had a sac of stage blood in hand when he grabbed his ear. It all looked very authentic, but you notice we never saw that ear without a big Kotex plastered to it and he healed amazingly fast. I’m still nursing a scab from a mosquito bite that happened that day. I wouldn’t put it past them. Funny how the shooter was a known SF supporter.

[yagotme]

90. A few thoughts:

The shooter who was known for a bad aim,

NO ONE I know, would stand downrange, and let ANY shooter, good or bad, shoot at them at that range.

He fired something, maybe not real bullets,

What did he fire? Blanks? The real shooter would have to be in the same line of sight as the fake one, because, trajectories. If it wasn't a blank, but not a bullet, you'll have to tell me what that thing was, because I don't have a clue.

shot the spectator behind TFG, to give it authenticity

So, a pro-Trump plan, is to shoot and kill their voters, to get more voters? That one is a LITTLE far out there...

but you notice we never saw that ear without a big Kotex

There is a photo out there, showing damage. As for authenticity, I can't say, but it's there.

I’m still nursing a scab from a mosquito bite that happened that day.

And I bet that TSF has access to a LOT better health care and makeup staff than you do.

Not saying that some of what you say isn't true, but the totality of it just seems to point to the incident is as it occurred. Where is the report, I say, to allay some of this?

[Trueblue Texan]

92. You make some valid points, but as to the Trump team being willing to sacrifice voters...

…look at how many Rs died of COVID and STILL TSF wouldn’t encourage getting vaccinated, even though he himself was vaccinated. He doesn’t CARE if he has to sacrifice voters. Further, we don’t know the angle of the bullet entry of the spectator. We don’t know he had to have been in direct line of TFG. We have seen no details on any of that stuff. For all we know, the shooter may not have fired a shot at all—we have no details. I know this is speculation, but you asked if I had another theory and I offered it. I’m not saying I have all the details to support it, but it is equally plausible as the one that is now accepted as accurate.

[yagotme]

93. The bullet angle would have to be the same as the one that went by his head,

otherwise a "second shooter" would be too provable. As far as the shooter firing shots, there is videos of SS/LE counting brass on the rooftop (eight, IIRC), so he WAS shooting off rounds. Blank rounds are easily ID'ed, and it takes a special device, on the end of the barrel, to make blanks work. I didn't see A BFA attached to the rifle in the video I saw.

[Trueblue Texan]

94. But we have no details about bullet angles at all. Nt

[yagotme]

95. The photo of the bullet passing by his head, with vapor trail.

That will give a competent mathematician angle, height, etc.

[newdayneeded]

122. Cuz there's no way to fake in

a bullet in a pic.

[yagotme]

128. Are you agreeing, or disagreeing?

I'm not sure, so here we go:
https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/video/doug-mills-trump-rally-photo-src-digvid

Pulitzer Prize winning photographer Doug Mills

High-level professional photographer, high level equipment, would have a lot to lose "faking" a picture, actual bullets hitting area behind TSF, catching a phenomenon that is known to take place, yeah, I'd say that the photos are not faked.

[newdayneeded]

130. Disagreeing

I think the whole thing was staged. I'm fine with everybody's opinion on this. but I will lie in my grave believing this was completely staged.

[yagotme]

131. K. You are entitled to that, nt

[Trueblue Texan]

132. How can that mathematician determine the distance of the vapor trail

Is from TFG when it is behind him?

[yagotme]

134. Vapor trail is small, created by a .224" projectile.

I'm sure this is a known number (diameter) listed somewhere, or can be recreated. Size of trail, computed against size of TFG's melon, will give approx. distance from his head.

[Self Esteem]

129. lmao

[SoFlaBro]

2. Orange Bastard is a dumb assed motherfucker. I wouldn't put this fuck assed shit past his worthless fucking ass.

[Johonny]

3. Given the last one didnt appear to help him

I'm not sure why they'd stage another

Also, I don't see many people wishing to die or face life in jail just to see Trump elected.

These appear to be legit nuts.

[allegorical oracle]

11. If re-elected, TSF will be handing out pardons. He's probably smart

enough not to give this shooter one, though. It would give away any plot that existed.

[Codifer]

38. What it did was

kidnap a news cycle or five.

Deflect from his really stoopid stuff.

[Trueblue Texan]

133. There are a number of folks already doing time for him. Nt

[Scrivener7]

4. As a member of a family that had a small NYC construction company through

the 90s, I have been watching him a lot longer than most people.

I have made no secret of the fact that I would be surprised if they WEREN'T orchestrated.

[malaise]

42. I will remain doubting malaise

Parts 1 and 2.

[Scrivener7]

53. Well, we're unlikely to ever know for sure, so I have no problem affectionately disagreeing.

[doc03]

5. There is no doubt in my mind he would attempt to stage an assassination

if he could. But to be able to get the SS involved in it is pretty far-fetched. Everyone can't be that corrupt.

[misanthrope]

19. I don't think he would be capable of pulling off a scheme like that

without it either going sideways or leaking.

[NewLarry]

50. Maybe not,

but I bet Peter Thiel could, or any number of other like-minded degenerates.

[allegorical oracle]

136. Don't forget, his J6 SService detail countered Cassie Hutchison's version

of the "grabbing the steering wheel" event. One of them quit the SService and went to work for TSF. I've heard agents in documentaries, years after their service, talk about how close they got to the people they protected. So I could imagine an agent going along with a scheme if s/he thought it would please the person they're fond of.

[MiniMe]

6. That thought has crossed through my mind

[Torchlight]

8. I'll go with Incompetent rather than Scheming.

His Wile E. Coyote routine isn't quite as funny when not animated, but it's still grist for the mills.

[misanthrope]

21. Hanlon's Razor once again

It is a notable heuristic for good reason.

[uponit7771]

82. twice in less than a couple of months?!

[Patton French]

123. Occam

NT

[misanthrope]

125. Related heuristics

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanlon%27s_razor

[claudette]

9. It's kind of

ridiculous to think that - in my view.

[Wiz Imp]

10. We Can't

[NNadir]

74. Agreed.

[BannonsLiver]

20. That's pretty impressive

I mean to be able to deduce that it’s day 2 is quite remarkable.

[GopherGal]

13. I would say the total ineptness of the two attempts thus far

... supports the possibility of TSF's involvement.

Crooks got himself killed in Butler just to barely wing him with some teleprompter shards.

Routh didn't even get a shot off at the golf club yesterday despite the (huge) target moving along a predictable trajectory.

[SCantiGOP]

46. Trump was one hole behind the SS agent

There was no target to fire at.

[Demsrule86]

49. The first one killed someone and wounded another...I hope even Trump would not do this.

The second one is bullshit.

[charliea]

56. Can't say he wouldn't...

I'd like to think no one would sacrifice another life for personal gain, but I don't think there is any limit to what Trump would do...

[Trueblue Texan]

86. I actually think he would do that.

Certainly his handlers, like Putin would.

[tritsofme]

14. My suggestion would be to watch less tv, and read less nonsense on the internet.

[Abolishinist]

69. Thank you.

Sometimes I begin to wonder about, well, you know.

[Trueblue Texan]

87. I don't watch tv.

And my internet activity is mostly limited to DU. But we’ve seen worse things from TSF and I wouldn’t doubt for a minute he’s capable of staging an assassination attempt. Everyone told me I was hysterical during the Bush years when I voiced my concern for Democracy, but now they’re finally trying to sound the alarms. We could have avoided this mess perhaps if we’d recognized the signs earlier. I’m just a housewife in Texas, but my eyes are open.

[Kaleva]

15. If you listen to what from people who worked for him say .

you'd come to the conclusion that it's extremely unlikely he has the smarts to do such a thing.

His worshipers believe he's a 3-D chess champion who is always one step ahead of everyone else but his record and the opinions of many who were in Administration suggest he's anything but.

[misanthrope]

22. This deserves 1,000 recommendations

Cuts to the heart of matters.

[DBoon]

26. Best argument that 9/11 wasn't a setup

To pull it off would require meticulous long range planning, foreseeing every contingency, and the ability of a small number of well organized conspirators to keep everything secret.

Now this is the GW Bush administration we are talking about....

[misanthrope]

31. That was exactly what I told a friend who was espousing 9/11 truther nonsense

about four years after the event. When I said it, he went silent for a few minutes then relented to what I pointed out.

[GreenWave]

105. But the behavior of the Bush government to protect Bush breeds conspiracies.

To wit to woo:

Do you, suffering victim of the 9-11 attack, promise not to sue George W. Bush in exchange for this bundle of money?
WTF? The Bush government had apprehended the donation money and made the victim's families promise not to sue W. What gave them the power to apprehend donation money in the first place?

When will the media shut the fuck up about the twin towers ad infinitum? 4 towers fell and 2 not caused by planes.

And what did they do to the debris? They threw it away! Where was the forensics?

So by protecting W above all else, hoping everybody could forget about those other two towers and throwing away the evidence, they are going to breed conspiracies due to their piss poor way of dealing with 9/11.

[Orrex]

43. I'm convinced that Trump can't get from his bed to his slippers without help, but...

he's not the only one doing the planning.

I don't believe that the shooting was staged or a hoax, but I also don't believe that he was "shot in the head," as he has claimed, or that he completely healed from his claimed head wound a matter of days with no bruising or stitches or scarring.

A boo-boo? Sure. But my friend's young, active, healthy daughter had to have an earring removed from her lobe, and it swelled up like a bruised balloon for days. Ancient Trump takes a headshot and is unscathed and just as creepily orange a day later? Sounds fishy.

[Kaleva]

70. I have no doubt he's capable of embellishing a situation

or twisting it for his gain

[Trueblue Texan]

88. I agree, he lacks the smarts to pull it off...

…but HE never does the work. He gets others to do it and a lot of folks around him DO have smarts. Furthermore, he is so entangled in Putin’s world, any one of them could have pulled it off for him. We’ve suffered the results of a “failure of imagination” in the past and it has caused grave harm. With all we’ve seen from TSF, we’d be crazy NOT to suspect the worst of him.

[Kaleva]

99. The people who still support him live in a fantasy world

Thus they are incapable of formulating plans that will work in the real world because the info they use to make their plans is twisted and flawed.

[rainin]

112. Exactly. I agree 100%. Just because he has millions of barely functioning idiots who support him

doesn't mean he doesn't also have some extremely powerful players in his corner. This could be a Russian op for all we know and we're fools if we don't ask the question. I'm so disappointed when I see commenters on this site who project their own ignorance on the rest of us. We're not asking questions because we "watch too much TV" or because we "believe everything we see on the internet". We ask questions because we're wise enough to understand that everything is not always what it seems to be. And we're alerted when the "official" story is thin or contradictory. The truth isn't always the first story. Sometimes, truth comes out little by little over time because a few people keep asking questions and are willing to look a little deeper. Unfortunately, there are painfully arrogant people here who believe they already know everything there is to know and think insulting people is valid engagement.

[RidinWithHarris]

17. While we can't be sure, the benefit of the doubt goes to non-orchestrated unless clear evidence to the contrary exists

To speak and act otherwise is how you go down the crazy conspiracy theory rabbit hole.

[SCantiGOP]

48. Thank you

I agree. These Qanon level posts make every member here look dumb.

[Kaleva]

71. "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence"

[Trueblue Texan]

89. You may call it a conspiracy theory in the making, but you have to admit...

…there are a hell of a lot of things that don’t add up and we should question them. The right questions EVERYTHING, evidence to the contrary or not. We should question more than we do and allow evidence to inform our opinions.

[RidinWithHarris]

97. True questioning is fine, but a lot of "questioning"...

...amounts to accusations and conclusions which often aren't even in the form of questions.

[hawkeye21]

24. This is absolutely what's happening. Why else would they happen now instead of when he was in office?

Remember that there is NOTHING Trump's MAGAts won't do for him. Faking assassination attempts. Claiming Haitians eat pets. No matter how outrageous it might seem, they'll do it. This is just another example. It's red hot bullshit. Hell, the guy never fired a shot or had a line of sight. Some "assassination" attempt.

[Doodley]

35. Why have an "assassin" who has publicy stated that he voted for Trump?

[Silent Type]

25. To all potential assassins-- Let Harris/Walsh take care of the MFer on Nov 5th.

[Blaukraut]

28. It would be pretty tough to find a volunteer to play the 'assassin'

Considering they might be killed in the process.

[VMA131Marine]

29. I doubt it's Trump doing it.

He’s too much of a narcissist and he knows he has enemies, real and imagined, everywhere. But, I could see some of those billionaires who are enamoured of Project 2025 wanting to move the unpredictable Trump out of the way in favour of a more pliable and compromised JD Vance.

Remember, Vance was not Trump’s first choice but Don Jr’s and Eric’s. Guess who stands to lose the most if Trump tanks the Trump Org.

[Initech]

30. I do not trust anything he or any of his goons say.

[Dan]

33. Well, if he is then he should quit using Craig's list.

He speaks so highly about our Southern Neighbors - so maybe he should consider recruiting someone from there, maybe a member of the Cartel.

[Doodley]

34. The would-be shooter would have to volunteer or be brainwashed. Either way, if staged, why choose a Republican?

[Cirsium]

52. Easy

Marinus van der Lubbe wasn't available.

[StClone]

37. Caution I asked a similar question and it got kicked off DU.

[Skittles]

40. no

he's a fucking coward who doesn't care about anyone but he cares greatly about himself

[SCantiGOP]

44. Because him being behind these attempts

would be a Qanon worthy conspiracy theory. The Secret Service and hundreds of people
would have to be criminally complicit.
If Nixon couldn’t cover up what was a third rate burglary, how in the world could the laughably incompetent Trump cult pull this off?

[Stardust Mirror]

54. Drumpf is too stupid and fearful to plan an assassination

The way the powers-that-be have carried out assassinations in the past:

1. keep the plan secret to all but the smallest number, only a handful
2. find a disturbed person who could be groomed to be assassin
3. provoke that person by feeding them incendiary info
4. make sure they can get a weapon, by themselves or with help if necessary
5. inform patsy where target will b
6. take a very few key "protectors" of out the way for the brief time needed for attempt to be made, ie., a few Secret Service members not in position or properly responsive

key points: don't have your own people do it, find a patsy, set him up, clear the path

I base this outline of the plan on several previous assassinations and attempts in US history. Does this sound at all familiar or credible to you?

[DoBW]

60. he doesn't have to plan ...

just try to stick to the script as best as possible for his demented little brain

[Joinfortmill]

55. I hear you. Like a parody of the Keystone Cops

The guy was hiding in the bushes for 12 hours. WTHH?

[ffr]

58. I would have loved to see TSF splatter another blood packet on his face again and fist pump his

Fight. Fight. Fight, to his audience. That would have been hilarious!

As you might be able to tell, I haven't been following these ridiculous drama-whore charades, because I don't trust a life-long grifter. Everything he does, says or happens in his orbit is toxic.

[ananda]

61. Both have scam written all over them.

...

[Emile]

62. After watching him orchestrating an insurrection on

live TV, nothing would surprise me.

[Kaleva]

110. He was more of a spectator as it happened

One can accuse him of instigating it but he certainly didn't control it once it began. There was Congressional testimony that Trump spent his time watching it on tv. Like it was entertainment. But we don't have testimony that he was actively in charge of it

[Emile]

114. No, he was the orchestrator. He allowed it and

encouraged it. He broke his oath of office by sitting there after he worked up his MAGAT army and allowing it to go on and on.

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

[rainin]

118. Is that what you took away from the January 6 hearings? Holy Cow! I think you might want to go back and watch them

again. You missed the important parts.

[Polybius]

63. That's fringe, dude

[uponit7771]

68. Not for a malignant narcissists its right up their ally, they have no boundaries especially the ones with a little money

[Voltaire2]

65. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Nt.

[mzmolly]

66. At the very least, he's inviting them with brazen ignorance.

Not to mention he's putting others at risk by golfing in areas that are vulnerable etc.

[uponit7771]

67. EXACTLY !! People who've experienced narcissists understand they will do ***ANYTHING*** and have no boundaries

[GoodRaisin]

72. Idk, the more that keep failing the more I might be inclined

to wonder about it.

[blogslug]

73. Maybe he's just a careless, obstinate dumbass...

who refuses to listen to the USSS and others when they tell him his rally venues and golf courses are difficult to secure.

[Chakaconcarne]

75. I wouldn't be surprised. The timing was pretty nice

...they just found the guy...nothing else. Wouldn't be surprised if he was paid off...maybe guaranteed a short sentence from a liberal judge...

I bet we get very little detail on motive or see any interviews?, etc. we'll see.

[samnsara]

76. ill give im the first attemp as he hasnt got the quick reflexes to put his hand

to his ear at just the same moment someone shot...BUT my theory of this last one was he was some marginal guy that jd and jr researched and hired

[alarimer]

77. His followers are too unhinged to follow directions.

I don't exactly know why these people are targeting their supposed savior. They are not even doing a good job pinning it on Democrats.

[uponit7771]

81. Shouldn't we all be giving Trump *some* benefit of the doubt?!? No?!?! Well come on .

.. that sounds cynical!!/ sarc

[Happy Hoosier]

83. Not sure it matters....

... I think they're pretty much a non-factor rght now.

[Leinster]

91. No way

It would require a supreme degree of resourcefulness and intelligence.

[malaise]

96. WTF does he mean here- is he planning his escape?

Or is he whipping up some race riots?
Trump Says He’s Going to Springfield but Might Not Make It Out Alive


https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-says-hes-going-to-springfield-ohio-but-might-not-make-it-out-alive

[ailsagirl]

98. I wouldn't be surprised

[ProudMNDemocrat]

100. The man CRAVES attention.

[PedroXimenez]

101. is the Secret Service in on it?

did the shooter in PA really die, or is he in hiding somewhere? What about the guy at the rally that died.

[liberalmuse]

102. He's reckless, incompetent and stupid in everything he does.

That recklessness, incompetence and stupidity seems to spread like a disease to all of those in his circle. It doesn’t help that he incites and invites rage and violence every chance he gets. He’s simply getting back what he puts out there. He’s the pied piper of dangerous idiots with guns.

[Blue Owl]

103. Dump is suspended inside a bubble of "optics"

Nothing about him is organic or natural, it's all artificial

[TommieMommy]

104. I did think that. With him it's very possible. He loves attention

[rainin]

106. I've noticed people on this site who lack the ability to imagine anything outside their lived experience

There are legitimate reasons to have suspicion that the official story is incomplete at best, untrue at worst. One must have the capacity to imagine that there are 1) evil actors involved and 2) shadow actors we don't know about. Many of the responses here are painfully naive and also, I have to say it, condescending. Anyone who claims to "know" should just be summarily dismissed. The question is a fair question.

[Kaleva]

109. You believe Trump has the capacity to orchestra these attempts?

If you go by what many who had worked in his administration say about him, I'd say the logical conclusion would be that he is incapable of performing such a feat .

[rainin]

111. I said it's a fair question. Trump is an idiot. But Putin isn't.

[Kaleva]

113. But the OP wasn't asking about Putin

[rainin]

116. i think it's fairly obvious that trump can be behind something while not actually doing it himself

january 6, for example. winning in 2016, as another example. nobody believes he did these alone. also, it's clear to most that he's tip of the spear for both. so, asking the question whether trump is behind the shooting doesn't mean that trump single-handedly organized and executed it A to Z. trump has powerful backers, one of whom is putin. that's why putin's name comes up. remember the 12 Russian hackers that Mueller indicted in 2018 for breaking into US election systems? other people working on behalf of trump broke into US election systems. Understand?

[Kaleva]

120. What is your answer to the OPs question?

"Question dodging is a rhetorical technique involving the intentional avoidance of answering a question."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evasion_(ethics)#:~:text=Question%20dodging%20is%20a%20rhetorical,avoidance%20of%20answering%20a%20question.

[rainin]

121. Asked and answered.

"There are legitimate reasons to have suspicion that the official story is incomplete at best, untrue at worst. One must have the capacity to imagine that there are 1) evil actors involved and 2) shadow actors we don't know about. Many of the responses here are painfully naive and also, I have to say it, condescending. Anyone who claims to "know" should just be summarily dismissed. The question is a fair question."

[Paladin]

115. I share your skepticism.

trump has proven time and again that he's willing to do anything---ANYTHING---to win this election. Anyone who doubts this hasn't been paying attention.

[Conjuay]

117. Who cares?

I certainly don't.

[PatrickforB]

119. Could be, but if so it is a dangerous game to be playing, especially when the freakish billionaire Elon

Musk said what he did on X and then took it down. And then Vance said that Harris and Walz need to 'tone down' their rhetoric.

I mean, I'd like to think there's no real plan in Trump-world, just crazy hate and constant motion. It's like that Lev Parnas said in Rachel's documentary film - it was like a big conspiracy bubble, and nobody really knew the plan because it was more like 'going to the mattress' mob war techniques.

Remember the old Star Trek, with Shatner and Nemoy? They had that one episode where they landed on a planet that had gotten hold of a federation history book about the mob and used it as a bible to build a whole gangster society. Kind of a deadly clown show.

[Patton French]

124. Here we go trying to emulate Newsmax again.

NT

[jmowreader]

138. I talked about that in a recent Spurious News post

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219469493

The calculus was that since Trump's approval ratings get a short-lived bump every time someone tries to assassinate him, they'll have someone try to assassinate him every day because by the time the good effects on his numbers from one assassination attempt fade he's already faced three more assassination attempts.

[yagotme]

139. Spurious news, is, well,

Spurious. Good for a laugh, but not a "serious" talking point.

[Bonx]

140. Because that's ridiculous