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Do you think the fix is already in for Trump to win the election? (Original Post) Doodley Monday OP
It remains to be seen if it's a "fix", but I'm sure they have plans. unblock Monday #1
Or a concept of a plan! Doodley Monday #6
Are you blue over the assassination plot and the attention he's getting? BannonsLiver Monday #2
All the concern trolls are out to convince everyone it's hopeless... AZSkiffyGeek Monday #5
I don't think it's hopeless. But I think if there is a way Trump can cheat he will. If there are hardline Trumpers Doodley Monday #16
And don't forget... TommyT139 Monday #23
I like that answer. I feel a blue wave coming that will make it very hard for Trump to get away with it! Doodley Monday #24
Yes. Unfortunately it's getting predictable. Cha Monday #31
No. TwilightZone Monday #3
No MustLoveBeagles Monday #4
Should we give up? Kingofalldems Monday #7
You are ON IT! Think. Again. Monday #11
Been a busy day. Kingofalldems Monday #12
Odd Question ProfessorGAC Monday #8
First that poll about trump leading, and now this? Quite a choice of postings today. brush Monday #9
Yup obamanut2012 Monday #15
Do you see the same Donald Trump as me? I see a creature who would do anything, even kill to take seize control. Surely Doodley Monday #21
That's the qestion you ask yourself? I ask why are you posting this stuff on a site whose mission is to promote Dems... brush Monday #26
You can block me if you think I want to discuss things you don't want to discuss. I apologize if that is the case. Doodley Monday #42
Trump a killer? nikatnyte Monday #37
Good point! Yes, to use a metaphor, he loads the gun but others pull the trigger, like Jan 6th. Doodley Monday #45
Exactly. Quite noticeable. Cha Monday #35
He didn't get a bounce when he was "shot" last time MaryMagdaline Monday #10
I agree. His doubling down of lies and insults ensure that! Doodley Monday #48
He was also at his ceiling that time Polybius Monday #60
Please stop. H2O Man Monday #13
All their actions show they are definitely trying to "fix" it. Think. Again. Monday #14
Maybe post some of the good news for Harris and Walz and other Dems obamanut2012 Monday #17
A couple of ham-fisted and flawed attempts at a fix, sure. Torchlight Monday #18
I think *Rump thinks the fix is in. ariadne0614 Monday #19
I like that answer! I think that is probably accurate. Doodley Monday #22
How would "the fix" be in? iemanja Monday #20
First, do you think Trump would cheat given the chance? Based on his past behaviour, his attempted Doodley Monday #32
Yes, but he doesn't control elections in blue states iemanja Monday #34
This is true. He may not need enough states to reach 270. His aim would be to try to raise enough doubt Doodley Monday #51
It's-a-big-club-and-you-ain't-in-it, shadowy-oligarchs-control-everything-everybody's-corrupt-resistance-is-futile, betsuni Monday #25
No. madaboutharry Monday #27
I like that answer. I think it could go either way, but Trump is Trump. Doodley Monday #36
I'm sure they are going to rely heavily on all of the people they've planted in county election offices. lees1975 Monday #28
I agree 100% Thank you! Doodley Monday #38
That hasn't ever worked for them, you know. lees1975 Monday #43
Telling/asking somebody who isn't corrupt to break the law is risky. Independently and collectively, MAGA Doodley Monday #58
The actions of the Trump campaign are not the actions of a winning campaign Wiz Imp Monday #29
Good point. The more he goes down the route of looking like hateful liar with intent to cheat, the Doodley Monday #39
Diarrhea Donny would like you to think that, wouldn't he.... Blue Owl Monday #30
Yes, and it's not a winning strategy! Doodley Monday #41
Uh what is this garbage? edisdead Monday #33
No. Please don't spread FUD. Ocelot II Monday #40
When you suggest the fix could be in you play right along with Trump's claims that elections are rigged. geo1 Monday #44
You're right. I'm staying home. NT mahatmakanejeeves Monday #46
no... myohmy2 Monday #47
Not really, not yet or TSF doesn't know for sure 0rganism Monday #49
I believe that Dump believes the fix is in. Clouds Passing Monday #50
100%!! Doodley Monday #57
I believe the Republican party are trying to fix it. Emile Monday #52
No. Silent Type Monday #53
I think the MAGAs think it is. Back in 2016 they seamed to be confident it doc03 Monday #54
No. Trump ForgedCrank Monday #55
A lot of little fixes mostly about their people placed as election officials Intractable Monday #56
Kamla Harris is already up by 8% points. GreenWave Monday #59
I don't know ecstatic Monday #61
On what basis would I think that? Chakaconcarne Monday #62
No. Quiet Em Monday #63
Do you knock on doors or help with GOTV efforts? Duncan Grant Yesterday #64
Nope. I think THEY think the fix is in, but they're forgetting that Biden has control of the NG, and he'll use it. mucholderthandirt Yesterday #65
When Chief Justice John Roberts invents Presidential Immunity to keep Trump free, yes. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #66
I worry about House Republicans cally Yesterday #67
In the sense that the system is engineered against us, yes.... Happy Hoosier Yesterday #68

unblock

(53,897 posts)
1. It remains to be seen if it's a "fix", but I'm sure they have plans.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:25 PM
Monday

At times it seems cheating is Donnie's plan A, rather than his plan B...

BannonsLiver

(17,472 posts)
2. Are you blue over the assassination plot and the attention he's getting?
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:26 PM
Monday

It’s definitely Blue Monday on DU today. Lots of dooming.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
16. I don't think it's hopeless. But I think if there is a way Trump can cheat he will. If there are hardline Trumpers
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:35 PM
Monday

who are involved in counting votes, some will cheat. If Russia can help it will. If Trump can get Secretary of States to find extra votes he will. If he thinks he would be successful with another insurrection, he will try that. If he can get any electors not to certify states he will. This is Donald Trump. There are no rules. I believe he would kill to achieve his ends. I'm not saying he will get away with it.

TommyT139

(393 posts)
23. And don't forget...
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:41 PM
Monday

From yesterday's NYT:
"How Roberts Shaped Trump’s Supreme Court Winning Streak
Behind the scenes, the chief justice molded three momentous Jan. 6 and election cases that helped determine the former president’s fate."

https://archive.is/4cUJ2

This is why we need to vote in numbers so massive that the traitors will be terrified of cheating. Is it fair? No. But the alternatives are things that can't be posted here.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
24. I like that answer. I feel a blue wave coming that will make it very hard for Trump to get away with it!
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:45 PM
Monday

Cha

(302,710 posts)
31. Yes. Unfortunately it's getting predictable.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:59 PM
Monday

And, Why.. We're Fired UP and GOTV which is what it Will Take to WIN!



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TwilightZone

(26,963 posts)
3. No.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:26 PM
Monday

Doom and gloom accomplishes nothing. It just makes people more likely to be apathetic and potentially reduces turnout.

Because, why bother, right?

ProfessorGAC

(68,412 posts)
8. Odd Question
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:31 PM
Monday

They fixed it now as opposed to when they actually had control of government agencies in '20?
They're fixing things AFTER they revealed themselves on Jan 6 as opposed to prior when people would be less suspicious?
Like I said, an odd question. It's not logical

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
21. Do you see the same Donald Trump as me? I see a creature who would do anything, even kill to take seize control. Surely
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:38 PM
Monday

many have asked themselves the same question.

brush

(56,318 posts)
26. That's the qestion you ask yourself? I ask why are you posting this stuff on a site whose mission is to promote Dems...
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:48 PM
Monday

winning elections.

What's up with that?

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
42. You can block me if you think I want to discuss things you don't want to discuss. I apologize if that is the case.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:10 PM
Monday

nikatnyte

(304 posts)
37. Trump a killer?
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:01 PM
Monday

I don't see that -- he's much too much of a wuss. But flat-out encourage his cult to kill? Absolutely.

Polybius

(16,870 posts)
60. He was also at his ceiling that time
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 08:24 PM
Monday

He was leading Biden by 4 or 5 points nationally. He was never going to get higher than that.

Think. Again.

(15,600 posts)
14. All their actions show they are definitely trying to "fix" it.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:34 PM
Monday

...and have been working on that for a long time, already.

Torchlight

(4,118 posts)
18. A couple of ham-fisted and flawed attempts at a fix, sure.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:37 PM
Monday

But an actual, working model of a fix? No.

But maybe trump has expidited a few more shipments from the Acme Bomb Company as he tries to rocket across the electoral chasm again hoping to get the road runner this time.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
32. First, do you think Trump would cheat given the chance? Based on his past behaviour, his attempted
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:59 PM
Monday

coup, his continued lies, fearmongering, and hate, I'd say yes.

Do you think there are plenty of Republican lawmakers who would support him? I'd say yes, based on their sickening sycophantic behavior and acceptance of Trump's lies, and that they support him even after he tried to overthrow the last electiion.

He's openly cheating already, encouraging his supporters to vote twice. He's openly saying vote this time and you won't have to again.

Do you think that some Republican vote counters, vote collectors, vote Secretaries of States would cheat? Do you think Russia would help or is helping Trump again? Do you think Trump will engage in voter intimidation? Will he or do say anything to win? Would he try to create another resurrection? I believe 'yes' to all these things.

If there is any way Trump can cheat, he will. He has the intent. He has the will. He has the support.

iemanja

(54,046 posts)
34. Yes, but he doesn't control elections in blue states
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:00 PM
Monday

Does he?

And some red/swing states have proved the integrity of their elections. GA and AZ come to mind, as we saw in 2020.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
51. This is true. He may not need enough states to reach 270. His aim would be to try to raise enough doubt
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:23 PM
Monday

in enough states to stir up anger and an insurrection. If we make a clear sweep in a blue wave, that would be difficult.

betsuni

(27,076 posts)
25. It's-a-big-club-and-you-ain't-in-it, shadowy-oligarchs-control-everything-everybody's-corrupt-resistance-is-futile,
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:46 PM
Monday

everybody's-stupid-except-me-they-can't-pull-the-wool-over-MY-eyes, etc.

I need to buy prunes.

madaboutharry

(41,039 posts)
27. No.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:51 PM
Monday

I don’t think the fix is in. Everyone is on to the MAGA bullshit.

And I also am certain there will not be a 2nd insurrection. The over 1,000 guilty pleas and some very long prison sentences for January 6 insurrectionist serve as an ample warning.

They saw how it failed the last time.

lees1975

(5,147 posts)
28. I'm sure they are going to rely heavily on all of the people they've planted in county election offices.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:51 PM
Monday

And everything else they are trying, including intimidation. We just have to fight back and show up.

lees1975

(5,147 posts)
43. That hasn't ever worked for them, you know.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:10 PM
Monday

New Mexico tried, convicted and removed from public office a county supervisor in Otero County who refused to follow the law and certify a mid-term election total when there was no evidence at all that it wasn't accurate. He was just mad his guy lost, and claimed the machine count was suspicious. He's done.

Arizona is about to put on trial two supervisors who basically intimidated the county election supervisor to the point where she quit her job and then sued under hostile workplace laws. The state indicted the two for refusing to follow the law and certify a vote in which there was no evidence of fraud, just their conspiracy theory about machine counts. Both were proven wrong when the machines checked out fine. Now one is plea bargaining to avoid a prison sentence.

That's fighting back. And I expect that threat will keep a lot of these people, who are being closely watched, honest.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
58. Telling/asking somebody who isn't corrupt to break the law is risky. Independently and collectively, MAGA
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 07:22 PM
Monday

election workers and counters can't be trusted. Yes, the fear of being caught is there.

Wiz Imp

(420 posts)
29. The actions of the Trump campaign are not the actions of a winning campaign
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 05:51 PM
Monday

They are the actions of a campaign that is desperately trying to avoid being completely blown out of the water.

Doodley

(9,950 posts)
39. Good point. The more he goes down the route of looking like hateful liar with intent to cheat, the
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:06 PM
Monday

more he will lose!

Ocelot II

(119,238 posts)
40. No. Please don't spread FUD.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:06 PM
Monday

They want us to think that so we'll give up. But no, there's no "fix" to be in; and while they'll try to throw sand in the gears they can be overwhelmed by our superior numbers.

geo1

(79 posts)
44. When you suggest the fix could be in you play right along with Trump's claims that elections are rigged.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:11 PM
Monday

As Michelle Obama so eloquently said, "If we start feeling tired, if we start feeling that dread creeping back in, we’ve got to pick ourselves up, throw water on our faces, and do something!"

Added on edit: Doing something means do everything you can to generate Democratic voter turn out. Make sure folks you know are registered to vote, make sure they get to the polls, generate enthusiasm for the candidates. When Democratic voters turn out, we win. Large margins of victory help knock out the claims that Trump will almost certainly try to make that the election was stolen from him.

myohmy2

(3,539 posts)
47. no...
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:13 PM
Monday

...but it doesn't really matter...

...he and his magats are going to declare victory no matter what...

...or create a major insurrection...

...I hope Joe's up for what's coming...

...

0rganism

(24,382 posts)
49. Not really, not yet or TSF doesn't know for sure
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:15 PM
Monday

If TSF knew with confidence that he'd win, I think he'd be playing a lot more golf and doing much less rage tweeting.

Don't get me wrong, there are some really good reasons for the possible "fixers" not to inform TSF of any such plans, so it's up in the air as far as I can tell. The few things that have come up, like the corrupt election officials in GA, are far from certain rigs.

I'm leaning "no fix" but open to further information as the future plays out.

Clouds Passing

(1,039 posts)
50. I believe that Dump believes the fix is in.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:22 PM
Monday

John Treasoner Roberts is worried, so much so he stated publicly Dump needs to win.

doc03

(36,237 posts)
54. I think the MAGAs think it is. Back in 2016 they seamed to be confident it
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:34 PM
Monday

was a done deal weeks ahead of the election.

ForgedCrank

(2,062 posts)
55. No. Trump
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 06:36 PM
Monday

isn't going to win anything.
I'm more nervous now than I was 3 months ago for sure, but I still don't see how he wins.

GreenWave

(8,480 posts)
59. Kamla Harris is already up by 8% points.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 08:03 PM
Monday

The goal is to crush the Orange Menace by GOTV even in Deep Blue. Smash that sucker!.

He is LOSING North Carolna. Florida only up by 2 and falling. Iowa now looks in play too. Smash that mofu.

ecstatic

(33,982 posts)
61. I don't know
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 08:53 PM
Monday

We were all made aware of all the maga voter suppression laws that popped up in 2021 and nothing was done as far as I know.

mucholderthandirt

(807 posts)
65. Nope. I think THEY think the fix is in, but they're forgetting that Biden has control of the NG, and he'll use it.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 10:25 AM
Yesterday

He's already said there will be consequences for any tampering, any attempt to disrupt the counting of delegates or ballots. Any show of attacks on any government entity, or the American people, will the stopped, deadly force authorized.

Trump and his people forget that they don't have total control of things yet. There will not be another "riot" to disrupt Congress. There will not be any "bloodbath" (how's that for rhetoric?). There won't be any major attempts to riot and interfere. Oh, some small things, maybe. Any state that isn't ready for it is run by fools. There'll be some protesting, a lot of crying and moaning online, but Trump's dream of a civil war is just that, a dream.

I'm former military. I'm old, can't walk or stand much, and my eyesight isn't the best, but I can still shoot. I will defend my country, if necessary. I was never relieved of the oath I took. It's still in effect, and I still believe in it. I will protect and defend the Constitution of the United States of America, against all enemies, foreign or domestic.

Kid Berwyn

(17,130 posts)
66. When Chief Justice John Roberts invents Presidential Immunity to keep Trump free, yes.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 10:38 AM
Yesterday

Of course, the nation's vaunted press corps is blind to Roberts' other corruptions. Take Project 2025...



Ayatollah Pruneface Raygun shaking hands with young John Roberts, Esq. Raygun’s AG Edwin Meese III was instrumental in the rise of the Heritage Foundation, the conservative stink tank from which arose Project 2025. And the fascist Justice Roberts? He’s just getting started.

How the Supreme Court Bolstered Project 2025

By Marc Elias
Democracy Docket, July 5, 2024

Shortly before he reported to prison, Steve Bannon told NBC News that Donald Trump is a “moderate” in the MAGA movement. “The MAGA movement,” he said, “is shifting day-by-day farther right.” Sadly, Bannon, MAGA’s leading populist rabble rouser, is correct.

One of the cornerstones of that rightward shift is the coalition of groups called Project 2025. Anchored by the Heritage Foundation, these groups operate as the ideological center for a new brand of extreme conservative policy that is reminiscent of European nationalism in the1930s.

Project 2025 advances an extreme MAGA agenda that is fiercely isolationist, xenophobic and disdainful of democratic norms. It demonizes intellectuals, dismisses experts and idolizes charismatic strongmen. One of its leaders recently said that “we are in the process of the second American Revolution, which will remain bloodless if the left allows it to be.”

Project 2025 seeks to establish a unitary executive branch — where the president reigns supreme. The project claims that presidents can pick and choose which laws they want to enforce and can impose their will over every decision in every agency — from environmental regulation to who should be criminally investigated and prosecuted. Most importantly, presidents can replace career employees with hand-picked cronies and can punish political enemies with impunity.

Continues…

https://www.democracydocket.com/opinion/how-the-supreme-court-bolstered-project-2025/

cally

(21,651 posts)
67. I worry about House Republicans
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:22 AM
Yesterday

But other than that, I think Democrats have been working to stop Trump from cheating.

Happy Hoosier

(8,102 posts)
68. In the sense that the system is engineered against us, yes....
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 11:27 AM
Yesterday

... but I don't think there is some grand conspiracy to steal the election beyond the keystone cops bullshit they will try to pull.

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