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babylonsister

(171,417 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 09:28 AM Monday

Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother's Death Was Preventable.


Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother’s Death Was Preventable.
At least two women in Georgia died after they couldn’t access legal abortions and timely medical care in their state, ProPublica has found. This is one of their stories.
by Kavitha Surana
Sept. 16, 5 a.m. EDT

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In her final hours, Amber Nicole Thurman suffered from a grave infection that her suburban Atlanta hospital was well-equipped to treat.

She’d taken abortion pills and encountered a rare complication; she had not expelled all of the fetal tissue from her body. She showed up at Piedmont Henry Hospital in need of a routine procedure to clear it from her uterus, called a dilation and curettage, or D&C.

But just that summer, her state had made performing the procedure a felony, with few exceptions. Any doctor who violated the new Georgia law could be prosecuted and face up to a decade in prison.

Thurman waited in pain in a hospital bed, worried about what would happen to her 6-year-old son, as doctors monitored her infection spreading, her blood pressure sinking and her organs beginning to fail.

It took 20 hours for doctors to finally operate. By then, it was too late.


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Abortion Bans Have Delayed Emergency Medical Care. In Georgia, Experts Say This Mother's Death Was Preventable. (Original Post) babylonsister Monday OP
I would sue the hospital, staff, everyone, whether they Ilsa Monday #1
The GQP do not care........................ Lovie777 Monday #2
Sooo, let me see if I have this right. sheshe2 Monday #3
I hope her family sues them into oblivion, yardwork Monday #7
I know, her son no longer has a mother and that pains me. sheshe2 Monday #14
These laws have tied the hands of physicians. evolves Monday #18
Some doctors are fine letting their patients die to "protect their license." Some think it has nothing to do with them. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #27
Certainly. evolves Yesterday #29
What I'm saying is these laws tie the hands of only some physicians. WhiskeyGrinder Yesterday #31
All physicians in red states evolves Yesterday #33
Deliberately killing women as punishment. Life and death over women, they hold the power and they've cowed healthcare Solly Mack Monday #4
Amber Clouds Passing Monday #5
I can't express my rage about this. yardwork Monday #6
How sad. Such a preventable death. I'm so lucky I got the care I needed 30 years ago. It saved my life. flying_wahini Monday #8
If you break the law evolves Monday #19
I wonder if there's a way to sue the state for malpractice tinrobot Monday #9
This has been tried. evolves Monday #20
When the bans came out I calculated how many women would die. joshcryer Monday #10
it's all about punishing the mom not protecting life 4catsmom Monday #11
Vengeance is mine saith the women and those who love 'em. Botany Monday #12
Are there any US laws that force doctors to delay lifesaving medical care for men? Let's start asking. Timeflyer Monday #13
Nope. evolves Monday #21
How horrible, my heart goes out to her family. TommieMommy Monday #15
So why wasnt she Figarosmom Monday #16
Who would pay for that? evolves Monday #22
Dead women is the goal Zilli Monday #17
I would qualify that as Independent Minded Dead Women... electric_blue68 Yesterday #25
All of the reps that voted for the abortion ban(s) Quanto Magnus Monday #23
Statement of Vice President Harris on Report of Georgia Death under Abortion Ban LetMyPeopleVote Yesterday #24
It IS Infuriating! Voting Power! 🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊🌊 electric_blue68 Yesterday #26
Dead women are no big deal to supposed pro-life republicans. It is not about life. It is about control. keithbvadu2 Yesterday #28
.. BlueWaveNeverEnd Yesterday #30
Legislators were warned 2 weeks before the vote. Women will die. lindysalsagal Yesterday #32

sheshe2

(86,068 posts)
3. Sooo, let me see if I have this right.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 10:49 AM
Monday

If they had performed the procedure when she was admitted to the hospital she would have lived and they would have faced a decade in prison? So instead they waited 20 hours, watched her suffering and dying which is against every oath a doctor takes, to finally perform the procedure. So in the end they willfully followed a law, let her die and they face no charges of murder.

Make this make sense.

yardwork

(63,362 posts)
7. I hope her family sues them into oblivion,
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:05 AM
Monday

Her six year old son lost his mother because a hospital let her die, on purpose.

sheshe2

(86,068 posts)
14. I know, her son no longer has a mother and that pains me.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:29 AM
Monday

Yes, sue the hospital and also sue the people that are making these draconian laws!

evolves

(5,556 posts)
18. These laws have tied the hands of physicians.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 12:19 PM
Monday

The choice is prison and permanent loss of the ability to practice medicine versus malpractice and a lifetime of anguish knowing you could have provided care but didn’t.

How would you handle that Catch-22?

WhiskeyGrinder

(23,361 posts)
27. Some doctors are fine letting their patients die to "protect their license." Some think it has nothing to do with them.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 06:50 PM
Yesterday

Some find ways to perform lifesaving procedures. Some are organizing to help others find ways to perform these procedures and develop strategies to protect themselves legally. It all depends on what side someone wants to be on.

evolves

(5,556 posts)
29. Certainly.
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 09:10 PM
Yesterday

However, most of us are fighting tooth and nail to keep our patients safe.
Most of us take this very seriously.

Solly Mack

(91,710 posts)
4. Deliberately killing women as punishment. Life and death over women, they hold the power and they've cowed healthcare
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 10:55 AM
Monday

professionals (and others who offer help to women).

Control.

flying_wahini

(7,714 posts)
8. How sad. Such a preventable death. I'm so lucky I got the care I needed 30 years ago. It saved my life.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:08 AM
Monday

Such horrible people to follow the law but leave a woman to die. It’s such a simple procedure.

evolves

(5,556 posts)
19. If you break the law
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 12:21 PM
Monday

you lose your ability to earn a living AND your freedom.

It’s a HORRIBLE choice to make.

tinrobot

(11,353 posts)
9. I wonder if there's a way to sue the state for malpractice
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:11 AM
Monday

When the state decides to insert itself into a doctor's medical decisions, they also have to take responsibility for the medical consequences.

joshcryer

(62,329 posts)
10. When the bans came out I calculated how many women would die.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:14 AM
Monday

It's about 20 a year. Who will die. Because of Trump and the SCOTUS. That's only including those who would die due to non-abortive care. It does not include the many many women whose lives are upended by unintended pregnancies and forced birth (who may live short term but whose lives will be damaged irreparably by an unwanted child). I couldn't think of a way to make that calculation. I simply did the calculation for mortality and the number of new expected pregnancies. We aren't going to know the full impact for a few years but it likely going to be hundreds of dead women due to this (only way to see that is to wait for the stats to come in).

This is an incalculable tragedy and I fear it will not be reversed until we have a serious case of a very public death by a young woman who is begging for her life with no one to help her: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Savita_Halappanavar

Botany

(71,785 posts)
12. Vengeance is mine saith the women and those who love 'em.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:23 AM
Monday
https://oceantoday.noaa.gov/every-full-moon/episode10-tsunami/welcome.html

We are looking at a massive blue wave. Do not be surprised if some really red states
flip this fall. Think of all those good white “Christian Housewives” in their comfortable
suburban homes who back in the day had abortions or had friends and or family that
needed them.

Freedom of Religion also means freedom from Religion too.

Amber Nicole Thurman Is going along “for the ride” with millions of voters this fall.

TommieMommy

(629 posts)
15. How horrible, my heart goes out to her family.
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:35 AM
Monday

This is the exact problem that Kamala was talking about, women suffering and bleeding out, all the complications that can happen. I've never dispised anyone in my life like I do him that piece of 💩

Figarosmom

(714 posts)
16. So why wasnt she
Mon Sep 16, 2024, 11:57 AM
Monday

Taken by ambulance or helicopter yo a place they could do a d&c w/o going to prison? If it was her heart or any other operation that's what they would do.

So can men still legally get a vasectomy ? Isn't that what they would call killing babies since that's what they say about birth control. I remember in the 60 sand 70s women who wNted hystrectomies were denied because it was morally wrong in the opinion of the powers that be.

electric_blue68

(16,852 posts)
25. I would qualify that as Independent Minded Dead Women...
Tue Sep 17, 2024, 06:38 PM
Yesterday

I'm thinking compliant women are not considered a problem.

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