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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSecret service needs to be fully investigated from stem to stern.
Something smells rotten and its far more than 4 years worth of missing emails.
SoFlaBro
(3,013 posts)odins folly
(237 posts)That fucking orange turd has EVERY government organization with his fuckery
Initech
(101,106 posts)Nothing to see here, please disperse.
BTW, I'm not defending Trump. I just know what country I live in.
pwb
(12,065 posts)Trump probably gives them big tips.
onecaliberal
(35,081 posts)BaronChocula
(2,142 posts)on their "Kamala has to sit down and do an interview with us to make us relevant" kick.
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Polybius
(16,870 posts)Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories. Do not promote extreme fringe views. Do not reference hate sites or other extremist/fringe sources.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice
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liberal N proud
(60,796 posts)Where trump is involved, expect any kind of trickery
Jilly_in_VA
(10,649 posts)that orange bastard got into office. I think there were probably traitors there even before that, during the Obama administration...people who couldn't stand the idea of having a Black boss. But it got worse with the Slobfather.
Kid Berwyn
(17,130 posts)
How about just after the statute of limitations on criminal gross dereliction of duty runs out we next meet to talk?
ETA: We may want to talk to the IG, if he hasnt left government service and its convenient for him.
et tu
(1,696 posts)for a plan....
Mark.b2
(371 posts)and appalled when more information comes to light on the Secret Service regarding Butler, PA. While it was a little annoying to me that admitting this only fuels the other side, it must be pretty bad for him to say what he did. Im geniuinely curious.
brewens
(14,972 posts)loyalty first, that could be the problem. I just hope they have good teams around our people.
Mark.b2
(371 posts)shell out the bucks to hire a private security team, could they?
brewens
(14,972 posts)bullshit on their whining about being denied extra SS for that reason. Need more security? Pay for it. You can cry about it later.
kerry-is-my-prez
(8,730 posts)The guy I dated was detailed to Jesse Jackson. He was pretty neutral on politics. Would not talk about Jackson at all.
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misanthrope
(7,909 posts)not conspiracy.
uponit7771
(91,147 posts)Orrex
(63,746 posts)moniss
(5,014 posts)that I saw he was "never in any danger". OK. But now the media is breathlessly reporting the FBI calling this an assassination attempt. So either some clown fired off some rounds way far away and was not even close to the Orange Ruski or he was close enough to warrant what the FBI is calling it.
It reminds me of what went down during the GQP convention in Milwaukee. Some homeless guys got into with each other about 2 miles away from the "security zone" but the media ran with "a violent incident happened near the convention". To make matters more absurd it happened in a location where some "bicycle patrol" guys from out of state who were doing security happened to also be staging across the street in a park area. One of them apparently went over and got involved and so it became "convention security involved in quelling a violent attack".
It also reminds me that while the media breathlessly focuses on this they haven't been bothered in the least to follow up or show any ongoing concern about the pipe bombs in DC circa 1/6.
LeftInTX
(29,018 posts)I seems like he was going to make an attempt. SS fired and he took off.
He's a nut guy with delusions of running military ops to save Ukraine
"I WILL GO TO UKRAINE TO FIGHT AND DIE" call me...
He goes on and on and on........
Then he was gonna bring Afghan troops to save Taiwan...And then something about Afghan troops and Haiti.
moniss
(5,014 posts)proximity he was to being able to do anything. The SS said "never" in any danger. I also don't know if the shots fired were just the SS or both of them. Let me just say if the SS fired at him and he ran off then maybe the SS needs some time on the range. To not even wing the guy? Why would you shoot not to hit him but just hope to scare him? Seems to me if you see a guy with an AK47 at his hand you need the shot to do more than hope to scare him away.
LeftInTX
(29,018 posts)He was a mercenary type, so I don't know. Also obscured by bushes.
moniss
(5,014 posts)close then I think the FBI statement would be more accurate and the SS would appear to have jumped the gun with their assertion of "never" any danger.
LeftInTX
(29,018 posts)Kaleva
(37,611 posts)When I was training, I was practicing to hit center body mass of a man sized stationary target at a range of 21 feet. That's with a handgun .
yagotme
(3,717 posts)IL DOC was at 7 yards (21ft) and 15 yards (45ft). DOC pistol competition was at 7, 15, and 25 yards. Rifle was at 50 yards, different sized targets to simulate 50, 100, and 150 yards. USMC was 200, 300, and 500 yards or meters for rifle, and out to 25 yards for pistol (IIRC). 3-500 yards to TSF (as reported so far) is "danger area" for a 7.62x39 round. Not likely to hit, but a "lucky" shot can still kill.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)As it is, there's only two spots in my house where if I stood, the furthest points in the home away from me is 21 feet.
I practice point shooting where I don't use the sights as had been taught by Col. Rex Applegate.
If the baddy is outside, I won't be shooting at him as he doesn't pose an immediate threat to my life.
When I concealed carry out in public, the gun was empty. I only carried in public for the practice of being used to having it on me in case the day ever arrived that I felt it would be prudent to carry a loaded gun.
yagotme
(3,717 posts)Other people have different house setups (long hallways, etc.), or carry outside/publicly. I have almost 10 yards in my house for the farthest point, but I just like to shoot farther. In case.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)Farmer-Rick
(10,955 posts)I mean our school kids get shot at all the time, no one seems to do anything about it. Going shopping or attending a concert could end up being a shoot out.
So, Trump using stochastic terrorism becomes a target of his own terrorism. Why should he be any different from the rest of us, especially when he supports these shooters?
He who lives by the sword will die by the sword. Or in Trump's case: he who calls out crazies to shoot at others will get shot at.
HagathaCrispy
(55 posts)He set it all up to stay relevant.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)You probably don't have any.
niyad
(118,025 posts)as their first thought. As Church Lady would say, "How conveeeeeeeenient."
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)Humans aren't rational creatures.
niyad
(118,025 posts)reaction. I did NOT say it is what they believe after reading the paltry, and somewhat incoherent, unclear reports. But nice try with the insults.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)A rational person would think that there wasn't enough info available yet to form an educated opinion.
niyad
(118,025 posts)Irish_Dem
(55,577 posts)We know he is a ruthless narcissistic sociopath who will do anything to win.
And he loves attention.
I don't know what happened in this latest episode of the Trump Show, but
it is clinically quite reasonable to ask if Trump could be manipulating the voters before an election.
In fact, it would be foolish not to ask the question.
As you say, people are not rational and have trouble facing reality about Trump's very severe
psychopathology and what he is capable of.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)The only thing you have is that you want it to be true .
Irish_Dem
(55,577 posts)All I am saying it is quite possible Trump will manufacture stunts to make himself look like a victim.
Perhaps if you re-read my analysis above you will understand better what I am saying.
I am not saying he did it.
I am saying he is capable of doing it.
Making false statements about my comments and twisting words is a weak argument.
It is better to stick to facts.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)I don't think he has the ability to do such a thing.
Yes, his supporters believe that Trump is a 3D chess master who is always one step of his opposition but his actual record says otherwise.
Could you provide some evidence that would support your argument that Trump is capable of manufacturing an assassination attempt in an attempt to make himself look like a victim?
Autumn
(45,797 posts)Kaleva
(37,611 posts)I've been lurking over at FR and they are going nuts over the allegations that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas.
Its their opinion that this is true. It's not an educated opinion though because there are no facts to support that.
Autumn
(45,797 posts)an assassination attempt. Neither have I seen any proof that it was a set up. Those idiots are going nuts over the allegations that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas because Trump told them that the Haitians are wiping out the pet population in Springfield and surrounding areas. They trust their president so what he says is indeed a fact. To them. It all depends on where you get your facts.
I'm still waiting for the release of the investigation when trump's ear was "shot" during the last assassination attempt. I'm sure we will be waiting a long fucking time to see anything from either investigation.
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)Kaleva
(37,611 posts)And the source was an article published by The Gateway Pundit, a RW rag, which was based on a Facebook post. No mention of Trump. It was just about what the lady claimed in her Facebook post. A post that the lady later apologized for making.
The Freepers were already wild about this before Trump brought it up . And as far as I can tell, Vance first mentioned it on the 9th.
Autumn
(45,797 posts)and that's more than enough to know I'm not interested in their thoughts. Yes I saw that about the woman on TikTok yesterday. It doesn't matter if it hit on the 9th. The fact is many of us heard about it from Trump. At the debate.
et tu
(1,696 posts)disturbed out of the woodwork- what else is to be expected???
Kaleva
(37,611 posts)orthoclad
(4,248 posts)and no-one will do anything about it.
Warpy
(112,778 posts)that all the violent, bad actors are on TFG's side of things. While I think that was true 4 years ago, he's had ample opportunity to grift his followers to the max, promising riches and no taxes and whatever else they want to hear, while stealing the money to pay for his lawyers to keep him out of prison. Some of them are likely not taking that kindly.
This new guy was taken alive, so it will be interesting to hear what he says about why he was trespassing on TFG;s golf course and how he evaded the alligators to get there.
Autumn
(45,797 posts)tishaLA
(14,268 posts)Paints an absolutely brutal portrait of the Secret Service. Well worth a read.
niyad
(118,025 posts)uponit7771
(91,147 posts)JI7
(90,088 posts)niyad
(118,025 posts)JI7
(90,088 posts)I remember reading or watching someone discuss reforms for improvement and one of them was to bring it back under treasury.