There is a headline right now on CNN homepage saying the Harris campaign

[senseandsensibility]

is posting misleading video clips about cheato. I clicked on it and it leads to an article by Daniel Dale, their fact checker. It is their most prominent headline right now.

Although no campaign is above reproach, I failed to notice prominent headlines from them about cheato actually posting false stories about Swift endorsing him. It seems to me that they are bending over backwards as usual to make it seem like both sides are equally misleading.

[bullimiami]

1. Same shit. Just another day at CNN.

[Trenzalore]

2. CNN might not be in business in 5 years

[Traildogbob]

3. I don't know

The model thrives at Fox and the other spin offs seem to be fine. They may just go deeper into the bull shit sewage basin.

[SWBTATTReg]

4. Couldn't be fast enough for me!

[mucifer]

5. Lots of the fact checking they do has the

supposition that the orange one does not endorse project 2025 because officially he doesn’t but in reality he does

[0rganism]

15. Oddly enough, that's one of the few things TSF says that I think might well be true

"Haven't read it", "Don't know about it" -- for TSF, these are hardly exceptional claims, especially when the document is 922 pages not all about his precious self.

Doesn't mean he won't implement Project 2025, just that he doesn't know what's in it and doesn't really care anyway. If elected, at some point he'd be asking his minions for a list of other minions to appoint, as he destroys entire federal civil service branches in the name of revenge. The Heritage Foundation will be right there with a menu of fascist sycophants to choose from, and he won't ask twice.

The wheel need not understand the carriage that rides upon it. TSF doesn't care about much beyond his own pleasures, let alone some conservative schemer's grand design for a white Christian ethnostate. I have to assume he doesn't know, doesn't want to know, and his lieutenants might just prefer to keep it that way while they torch democracy in his name.

[Best_man23]

6. Delete the CNN app off your devices, delete the CNN bookmark off your browsers

Get your news elsewhere. CNN has become another Ministry of RW Propaganda and Public Enlightenment like Faux.

[WarGamer]

7. So you're in favor of limiting your exposure to "Happy" news sources??

[FSogol]

12. Misleading does not equal happy. N/t

[Best_man23]

30. No, but I'm not willing to get information from organizations engaging in news distortion

Which CNN has been doing quite a bit of recently.

There are PLENTY of other news sources out there, not just "happy" ones.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

9. I watch CNN (sometimes) to see what so much of the US is watching. I need to know how far the rot is spreading & call

them on it. I do the same w/faux - the rot is deep and damaging. I can't stick my head in the ground, and ignore it.

[dobleremolque]

8. Legacy media can no longer be relied on for

factual and unbiased information. Without exception, they all pursue the corporatist/oligarch agenda of their owners and try to disguise it as "being objective" or being "balanced."

And I make this observation and unfortunate judgment after retiring from a career in journalism myself. When I labored to meet the daily deadline, truth, accuracy, and objectivity did matter.

[misanthrope]

14. I can't like this post enough

Another journalist here. The for-profit model has ruined the Fourth Estate in this nation.

Then when Craigslist and similar avenues bled the revenue from classified listings, the handwriting was on the wall. The accumulated knowledge and contacts of newsrooms were gutted in favor of lower paid and less seasoned content producers so middle management could keep their jobs. Then they started trimming the editorial hierarchy.

What's left is a sad analog to the journalistic outlets of the mid 20th century.

[senseandsensibility]

19. I'm a former journalist of sorts

myself. Began by majoring in Journalism at a public university known for its Journalism Department. Wrote for my college newspaper, but ultimately switched to education and went on to be a teacher for more than 30 years. I'm glad I did that everything considered. But I stayed with it long enough to complete two minors in Journalism and to remember what I learned about the discipline from some really fine Professors.

[dobleremolque]

20. It sticks with you, doesn't it? I still

have the AP Style Guide engraved on my memory cells. And I fondly recall one of my copy editor's rants on modifications of absolutes. He's launch into it when one of the reporters wrote "...totally destroyed."

"You cannot modify an absolute," he thundered. "Destroyed means obliterated. If the building wasn't destroyed, it was heavily damaged. Destroyed is like pregnant.... either you are or you aren't."

Mmmmm. Good times!

[True Dough]

26. "Decimated" is also widely misused

And how do you feel about people using reticent in place of reluctant. Language evolves. I get that. However, I always considered reticent to mean someone who was hesitant to speak.

[dobleremolque]

27. Oh, I can reveal only about a tenth of my feelings

on the (mis)use of decimated. Deprecate, too.

And don't get me started on comprise and compose. Oh, and then infer and imply. Grrrrrrrrr!

I love the story about Dr. Samuel Johnson, the 18th century English lexicographer who corrected a woman who had objected to his body odor, saying he smelled bad.

"No, madam," he said. "You smell. I stink."

[True Dough]

28. And how about

those who write/say "a myriad of XXXX" instead of just plain ol' "myriad XXXX"?

[Dave Bowman]

10. What's a CNN?

[Generic Brad]

23. Can't Not News

I believe that’s what CNN now stands for.

[AnotherMother4Peace]

11. Thank you for posting this. Rec. Trump lies, that's about all he does. You want to talk about "repeatedly", CNN.

[chowder66]

13. Of course they don't do "both sides" in this instance. Of course.

There is so much to use against Trump. KamalaHQ does not need to go down that road with deceptive edits and should not.

[Paseo Mundial]

16. KamalaHQ is reaching voters CNN can't--so we should be truthful

I love the KamalaHQ campaign, and in fact, my teens tell me that lots of first-time voters are following it. With that in mind, the KamalHQ team should make sure posts presented as fact can withstand fact-checking. My two cents. I get that CNN could be fairer, but complaining about the media is so emblematic of Trump—I just think it conveys weakness.

More importantly, I think it is important for us to remember that loyalty tests and pledges to anti-tax extremists are one of the reasons the Republicans lost their party to complete nutjobs.

We don’t have to demand such loyalty, because we are armed with truth in the fight for justice and freedom. We should applaud fact-checkers, always, and pledge to do better. In my opinion, that is the only way this works.

[Wiz Imp]

17. Disappointing coming from Daniel Dale

He has generally been very good. But most of his claims of "misleading" posts in this story are complete bullshit.

Deceptively clipping and misleadingly describing a Trump comment about his 2017 Charlottesville remark

So called fact checkers have been bending over backwards to defend Trump on this but the true facts are the characterization of his remarks on Charlottesville by Democrats (including Harris) has been 100% true.

Deceptively clipping and inaccurately quoting a JD Vance quote about veterans’ health care

Dale goes on to quote Vance's actual quote which HarrisHQ represents completely accurately.

Deceptively clipping and falsely describing a Trump quote about penalties for damaging monuments

absolutely ridiculous defense of Trump here because HarrisHQ said it echoed Project 2025 but the very specific quote Trump said is not found there. Ignores the accurate point that he is making statements fully supportive of ideas in Project 2025 while pretending to be "against" it.

Deceptively clipping and misleadingly describing a Trump comment about taxes

Nothing deceptive at all here. The post in question is a word for word transcription of what Trump said.

There's 2 more ridiculous examples but it's not worth any more of my time to debunk those as well

Suffice to say, of the 8 examples he gives, the first 2 he has a legitimate point about as they refer to times when Trump apparently forgot where he was but context shows that's really not true.

The other 6 (in other words the whole gist of the article) are complete bullshit and the KamalaHQ post accurately represent what Trump and or Vance said or did.

[senseandsensibility]

18. Thank you so much for going through all that

I knew it was BS, but my patience with this kind of thing has run out and I didn't want to bother. But you confirmed what I knew it was: a transparent effort to "both sides" the misinformation scandal of the cheato campaign. And I agree, disappointing to see this from Dale.

[Wiz Imp]

21. I went back and reread the article, and I think it's even worse than I did at first

First of all, he accuses the KamalaHQ account of posting quotes or comments that are about specific things when that is categorically false.

For example: At one point he says "the post made a specific claim that Posobiec was talking about Project 2025, which he was not". Here is the full text of that post: "Trump operative on Project 2025: If you have principles without power, it's meaningless. We must wield power. We must seize power."

So where is the specific claim that he was talking about Project 2025? Hint: it doesn't exist. Nor is it even implied. Saying he is an operative on Project 2025 is a true statement. However, it doesn't mean that everything he says is about Project 2025. If the quote from Posobiec was about Project 2025, I guarantee you that KamalaHQ would truly have clearly and specifically pointed that out.

Second, and most galling, is instead of taking what the posts say at face value, he claims to know "what they really mean" and use that to say they are misleading or false. But they never say those things. One actually has to read into their post with a MAGA mindset to consider them misleading. That is not an indication that the Harris campaign is being dishonest, but rather an indication that the MAGAs are willing to twist absolutely anything she says into a misleading statement. The misleading ones in this case are (as you would expect) the MAGAs .

Incredibly frustrating.

[Abolishinist]

22. I checked out the one about JD and veterans insurance.

When asked "would you consider privatizing veterans healthcare?", he did NOT say "I think I'd consider IT" to the question, he said “I think I’d consider... blah blah blah, giving veterans more choice."

The video was clearly edited to imply that he wanted to privatize ALL VA healthcare. He was stating nothing different than what Obama, for example, had done, i.e. expanding choices for those living far away from a VA health care facility. Obama signed the Choice program into law in 2014, which allowed eligible veterans to be covered by the government for care provided by doctors outside the VA system, a bipartisan initiative spearheaded by Bernie Sanders and John McCain.

[Wiz Imp]

24. Sorry, but you're playing the same games about "what they really meant" vs what they said

He was asked if he would consider privatizing veterans health care and he said yes. That is a fact. As the campaign explained “Vance is suggesting he would consider privatizing VA functions. This is not misleading. Our caption does not say ‘the whole VA health system.’”

If you're gonna parse everything that's said into what is actually meant, then where is the article showing the well over 100 times the Trump campaign has done this? (Hell it's probably closer to 1000). That's OK, that's just Trump being Trump, he's allowed to say whatever he wants and the MSM will not criticize him. This is a huge double standard and shows exactly why Dale's criticism is bullshit.

[Wiz Imp]

25. It's funny how when Trump says he wants nothing to do with Project 2025

they take that as gospel fact and don't question what he really means, or more accurately why he is making that claim. It's beyond obvious that he is lying about that but Fact Checkers accept him at his word - a guy who has a record of over 30,000 lies as President - but it's the Harris campaign that's being "misleading". Give me a break. That's a truly pathetic display of so called Journalism. CNN and any MSM "News" outlet that publishes garbage like this should be ashamed.

[uponit7771]

29. The MSM is hurting us by normalizing TFG