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LAS14

(14,592 posts)
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 04:24 PM Sep 13

OK, here's what I think about the MSM.

By the MSM I'm talking about "legacy" entities, such as the NYT, WaPo, PBS, NPR and The Guardian. They're the only ones I watch or read. (Actually, I don't read the WaPo because we're already spending money on the NYT, but I get a sense for it second hand.)

Basically, I'm very grateful for their presence.

We need large, well funded entities to muster the resources to identify fake news and pictures, as the fakery gets more and more sophisticated.

Besides the ability to marshall resources to deal with techno-fakery, we also need entities with the resources to scan the whole world for news. Someone here posted a long list of news sources with integrity, but their range is limited. And I don't have time or energy to consult dozens of outlets.

As I watch half the country half of our federal legislators and justices lose their respect for the norms that have held us together for over a century, I'm glad that the main stream of the fourth estate as adhering to their norms of truth telling.

They say, "The MSM is run by rich people who will do anything to make more money. Well, sure, it's run by people who want to make money. Even PBS and NPR want to stay healthy. But the way these entities keep their audience growing is to continue to deliver what the audience expects, which is the truth. They can't afford to deliver fake news. If they make a mistake they acknowledge it.

They say that the MSM hasn't ridden the Trump child-care answer (and others) like it did the Biden debate performance. The story with Biden was the response, the growing response of the Democratic party and leadership. There's been no such GOP reaction. It's ridiculous to say the MSM caused the Dem reaction, rather than the other way around. Still, as I said, I read/watch only the listed entities, and I saw clips of his child care answer at least a half dozen times.

Concluding from the presence of a conservative or even right wing opinion piece that the NYT is "for Trump" is ridiculous. I emphatically don't want the news agencies I rely on to preach the left party line. I want them to be able to appeal to as broad an audience as possible so that broad audience hears the truth.

I take comfort in watching the MSM try to walk the tight rope of being politically impartial while refusing to give up on representing the truth. I say "try" advisedly, because sometimes it's taken a while. They learned from 2016 and gradually shifted from weasel wording about Trump's lies to religiously leading every quote of one of his lies with the word "lie." It took some time to recognize how far gone he was. To quote a great lady, their values didn't change.

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OK, here's what I think about the MSM. (Original Post) LAS14 Sep 13 OP
I respect your right to your opinion, but I disagree. dchill Sep 13 #1
I think of cable news when I think MSM. pwb Sep 13 #2
Thank you for respecting our Free Press Dennis Donovan Sep 13 #3
Believe as you wish Keepthesoulalive Sep 13 #4
Just about everytime someone complains about one of these outlets, I do a search and find several current artilces or Silent Type Sep 13 #5
I forgot this point. LAS14 Sep 13 #6

pwb

(12,197 posts)
2. I think of cable news when I think MSM.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 04:37 PM
Sep 13

Both sides do it, and their silence on issues, are not news. Print seems to be doing all the work. IMO.

Dennis Donovan

(24,838 posts)
3. Thank you for respecting our Free Press
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 04:41 PM
Sep 13

They don't always get it right, and can be beholden too much to the corporations that own them, but your rank-and-file reporters generally do a fine job (that is, before the editors and publishers get involved).

The rise of independent media has become competition long needed and they seem to have an effect on legacy, corporate media.

It's still up to the media consumer to know a shit sandwich when served one, though.

Learn to know when you're served one, consume more than one source and you'll navigate the information ecosystem and emerge as well-informed.

Silent Type

(6,393 posts)
5. Just about everytime someone complains about one of these outlets, I do a search and find several current artilces or
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 05:54 PM
Sep 13

videos that rebut whatever they are complaining about.

The fact that both sides gripe about the same outlets about equally is reasonable evidence they are doing their job.

I don't need a pundit to tell me trump is a POS when they show a clip/quote of trump being a POS.

Obviously, FOX and similar white wing sites are not included.

LAS14

(14,592 posts)
6. I forgot this point.
Fri Sep 13, 2024, 06:42 PM
Sep 13

Besides the ability to marshall resources to deal with techno-fakery, we also need entities with the resources to scan the whole world for news. Someone here posted a long list of news sources with integrity, but their range is limited. And I don't have time or energy to consult dozens of outlets.

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