I believe the sexist, misogynistic media is underestimating the power of women in this election in all age groups,

[JohnSJ]

and they will be a major factor of the defeat of trump, and the republicans in this election.

[Johnny2X2X]

1. I think the polls are underestimating them too

Since Roe was overtunred, Dems are far outperforming the polls. We've saw it in 2022 and we've seen it in dozens of special elections since 2022. A race will be within a point or 2 and the Dem will win by 10.

[mcar]

2. They did the same in 2022. They never learn.

They've decided that overturning Roe, and all the atrocities that have happened since, are not important to voters.

They are wrong.

[griffi94]

20. Reminds me of a Simpson's episode

The GOP keeps saying that women don't care about bodily autonomy, they care about the border
and immigrants eating their pets.

[arlyellowdog]

3. This! Yes yes yes

I was reading some reactions to the debate from people like Nate Silver, Elon Musk and all the people who write comments to their twitter posts. I swear they’ve never met a woman. The people I know are like the community of DU where I can’t really tell if a woman or man is the commenter unless they mention it. I didn’t know there were jerks like that out there, but more importantly, they don’t know there are WAY more people like us.

[arlyellowdog]

6. The echo chamber moment in the debate was when tfg said everybody wanted Roe overturned. Weirder than beating cats.

[Farmer-Rick]

4. I agree

This is why it took until 1919 to get women the vote. Just as a comparison, the 15th amendment was ratified in 1870.

And that's why you still hear idiots today calling for taking away the rights of women to vote.

Women are a bigger voting block then the patriarchy wants to admit.

Remember you don't have to tell anyone how you voted, not even your husband or father. I think some women in deep red areas don't realize that......but how many of them would ever read this?

[Qutzupalotl]

5. Men have the privilege of forgetting the importance of bodily autonomy,

thinking it's on par with other issues, but women can't forget. The idea that the government can tell you what to do with your own body is infuriating, and will drive turnout.

We might see an effect where wives do not feel free to tell pollsters their true intentions within earshot of their husbands … but will vote against enforced pregnancy in the privacy of the voting booth.

[krkaufman]

17. Some men aren't the only issue

Among women, Harris leads by 13 points, 54%-41%.

So barely more half of women. A whole lotta men are f****d in the head, but they’re not alone.

[UniqueUserName]

24. Yes, nearly half of white women voted against their body's autonomy

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Stunning, isn't it? White racism is more important than autonomy of their own body.

I do believe Harris will be elected. I hope it puts another bullet in the zombie of racism and misogyny.

[BaronChocula]

28. Thanks Unique

I spend much of my time explaining that as the basis of our politics and the media coverage thereof. Many pro-choice white women have been supporting anti-choice candidates for years because 1) they were brainwashed to believe that republicans, the nearly completely white party was better at handling the economy and national security than the not-nearly-as-white party and 2) they've been suckered by red-herring cultural issues like drag queens and CRT, putting their concern for reproductive freedom on the back burner.

Then republicans simply get the White Man's Pass from the corporate media and press since the republican party is very white and very male. Thus coverage of the debate revolved around how a seasoned prosecutor, state AG, U.S. senator, and VP who happened to be a black woman could possibly debate a donald trump. They never assumed that he could be the one that got his clock cleaned. But as it turned out, her surpassing media expectations may have been a boon to her.

Rant over.

[whathehell]

29. This white woman is 100% percent behind Kamala,

but concluding that white women's views on abortion are soley about bodily autonomy or "racism" is wildly off base. Some women (and not just caucasians) have moral/religious objections to the procedure. Not sharing their views doesn't mean they don't exist.

[UniqueUserName]

31. I hear you. This old white man is 100% for Harris.

She was my favorite choice in 2020. But I quickly became a Biden admirer. As a matter of fact, Harris is the only person that could have replaced Biden that I would have gone to the voting polls for. Don't get me wrong, it's not because I don't support Democrats. It's because in this section of the country my vote merely shows that we're not all crazy. In my County only 23% of us supported Biden, the reasonable candidate. 76% favored the lunatic.

I have four white sisters. Two of which will be voting for Harris. One who's vote counts because it's in Pennsylvania. The two Trump voters are voting for patriarchy and white privilege (which is really white racism light).

[whathehell]

34. Good on ya!...I'm a "seasoned" white woman who

is quite excited to vote for Kamala Harris.. The last poll I'm aware of has her leading Trump by six points with White Women...I'm a lifelong Democrat who's seen a LOT of Democratic campaigns, and this one strikes me as the happiest, most UNITED I've ever seen.

[Attilatheblond]

25. Polls? Meh. Most people I know refuse to participate in polls. Most people I know are VERY intelligent

So, I figure a lot of polls are responded to by not so intelligent people. And polls involving not so intelligent people will be cited by the GOP when they start challenging election results that show are going to show a big discrepancy with their pre-election pre-programmed polls.

[birdographer]

18. Kamala's question

Can you think of any laws that give the government the power to make decisions exclusively about the male body?

[Sympthsical]

7. People said the same thing in 2022 - and were in error

That the polls were underestimating the effects of Dobbs and a huge wave of women voters would arrive out of the blue for the election.

But the election ended up being more or less precisely what the polls said it would be.

There was no secret wave lurking in the wings. Dobbs was baked into the polling by the time Oct/Nov rolled around.

It will be similar here. Whatever the polls start showing around about mid-October will give a good idea of what to expect. This is a national election - not a local Congressional district. Millions of people don't suddenly arrive on the scene that way a few thousand voters can be budged out in an intense local race.

What we see is largely what is.

[arlyellowdog]

9. Not here in Virginia

We took it all

[ShazzieB]

30. There's one big difference between 2022 and 2024.

Roe was struck down in June 2022. As horrified as many of us were, the full effects were yet to be experienced in most of the country. Since then, many more states have enacted abortion bans, and there's been an increasing amount of publicity about how pregnant women and their health care providers have been adversely affected by draconian laws that threaten doctors with imprisonment for terminating even the most obviously doomed pregnancy.

Most of the horror stories we've all heard about hospitals denying proper medical care to pregnant women unless they're literally at death's door (because a fetus that clearly has no chance of survival still has cardiac activity) have come in the last year or so.

In short, a lot more women are now more fully aware of the danger they could be in if they get pregnant while living in the wrong state. A lot of women who never imagined themselves ever needing or wanting abortion care are now aware that there are situations where their lives and/or future reproductive capacity (or that of their daughters, sisters, nieces, or friends) could depend on being able to access such care.

Of course, there's no telling what percentage of women voters have gotten the message, but I think it's a safe bet that the general level of awareness of these issues is significantly higher than it was 2 years ago. Strict abortion bans are a clear and present danger now, whereas in 2022, the danger was still somewhat hypothetical in most parts of the country. I feel like that has GOT to have some kind of an impact in November.

How much of an impact? I don't know...but the general level of concern and urgency surrounding reproductive rights is discernibly higher in 2024 than it was in 2022, and I think it's reasonable to expect that to have an impact on how white women, as well as women in general, decide to vote in this election.

[Sympthsical]

32. Don't disagree with a single thing you've stated here

The question is if those numbers are unknown and not reflected in polling.

I couldn't answer that question with confidence right now. But maybe three weeks before the election and with more polling data, things will probably be clearer.

The polls were really surprising in 2022. I remember reading them, and what stood out to me is that Dobbs wasn't very high priority. It was consistently living somewhere around seventh to ninth on the issue priority list.

And given the margins pro-choice ballot initiatives succeed by, it's really strange how the voting ended up the way it did. Someone out there probably earned their PhD trying to parse the dichotomy on that one.

[brer cat]

8. Yes, and I suspect they are going to be shocked when they lose.

[delisen]

10. Agreed. They have been unable to adapt

Just as Trump and his campaign could not adapt to Harris replacing Biden,
they have been frozen in their own narrow world views.

Can they adapt now that Harris has broken through and is leading the way? I think some individuals and organizations can and will, others will devolve into irrelevance.
I have been increasingly leaning into some of the new media which seems to be forming as the actual Free Press of our time.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

11. Underestimating women will be the MAGA/GOP's downfall in 2024

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I have this fridge magnet on my fridge. Bought it at the State DFL Convention in 2010 when I was a Delegate.

[ananda]

12. The billionaires are gaming the polls, and the media...

has a vested interest in making it seem close.

I know what I think.

[Marigold]

13. I really hope you are right

And I do think millions of women will come out to support this ticket. But I have also read that the republicans are steeling themselves to lose the presidential race, but confident that they will regain control of the Senate. And then they have every intention of not letting her get a thing done in lock step. It looks like Tester is way behind in Montana, and with Manchin dropping out in WV, Justice is a shoo in. Not trying to be a Debbie Downer, but it is impossible not to factor this in.

[Demsrule86]

36. Link to polls supporting your argument.

[malaise]

14. In this election?

In every sphere of life

[Skittles]

33. you got that right

heck, there has never been a female president and we are MORE THAN HALF THE POPULATION......sexism is RAMAPNT

[happy feet]

15. +1,000,000

[toxicopoulus2]

16. Once bitten...

...5 times as shy.

I'm optimistic that the tide has turned but we've heard this song before. After the Access Hollywood tape, "white" women voted 54% for Trump.

After 4 years of misogynistic nonsense and the appointment of 3 judges who, it was clear, would imperil women's rights, "white" women voted 55% for Trump (it went up). The cognitive dissonance is real. These women may very well vote to codify abortion rights AND cast a vote for Trump; the guy who made this an issue in the first place.

Black Women always knew what was up.

[onecaliberal]

19. Yup.

[GoodRaisin]

21. Pregnancy is a death threat with republican policy on abortion.

I can’t imagine why any woman would vote for a republican now. If republicans had their way and instituted a national abortion ban, women would literally have to leave the United States to have needed health care in case of complications with a pregnancy. That is an untenable threat to women. Not that women don’t have a million other reasons not to vote republican, but this one is a non starter.

[republianmushroom]

22. You are correct, IMO.

[0rganism]

23. The counter-balance will be our distrust of immigrants

I agree with you about the electoral potential of women.
Unfortunately, it will contend directly with America's unwelcoming nationalism and overinflated sense of entitlement.

This election stands upon the edge of a knife.

[Elessar Zappa]

35. They won't win based on immigrant hatred.

I think Kamala’s going to win more votes than Biden did . Biden got seven million more votes than Trump so I think Kamala can beat him by 10 million. The electoral college will be closer but it will still be a decisive win.

[IronLionZion]

26. Just today I saw an MSM clip saying the Trump/Vance campaign appeals to men

but somehow the Harris/Walz campaign isn't? Then they said Harris isn't running a feminist campaign because it didn't work for Hillary to make history.



I don't agree with many of these talking heads on MSM. I think Harris/Walz has broad appeal and we are seeing a lot more enthusiasm on our side for high turnout.

[Warpy]

27. They seem to think the little woman will vote the way her husband tealls her to

and have forgotten the relative privacy of the voting booth, even in red states.

#f3n 43litiows women don't like being told what to do by a bunch of male politicians who don't have a clue. They want the right to make that righteous choice for themselves, earning their crowns in heaven. Men want to deprive them of that and they don't like it.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

37. When it comes to white women, I'll believe it when I see it.